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JonF
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Message 2371 of 5796 (854902)
06-13-2019 8:56 PM


IOIYAR
quote:
Fox News senior legal analyst Andrew Napolitano on Thursday said it was clear that White House advisor Kellyanne Conway repeatedly violated federal law.
The Office of Special Counsel said that Kellyanne Conway should be removed from her position after repeatedly engaging in political speech in her official capacity.
“The office is headed by a man who was appointed by President Trump,” Fox News host Shepard Smith noted. “It said, if left unpunished, her actions send the message to all federal employees that they need not abide by the Hatch Act.”
Napolitano explained that the regulation prevented federal employees from engaging in partisan attacks while on federal property or using federal assets.
“It seems like a pretty clear-cut case to me, and it seems like her behavior is repeated,” Napolitano said.
All together now!
It's OK If You're A Republican!!
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Faith 
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From: Nevada, USA
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Message 2372 of 5796 (855941)
06-24-2019 11:56 PM


Yes today's Left/Izquierdo really is Marxist, even Stalinist
I love Mark Levin. He's the most knowledgeable of the talk show hosts about the history of America and especially the history of the Left. Yes this post will no doubt be riddled with the asterisks of the Mad Censor because it's about everything he wants to get rid of. So you'll have to resort to the "Peek" button if you care.
Levin has written a bunch of books I'm sure I'd love to read if my eyes weren't so bad, with titles like "Liberty and Tyranny" and "Men in Black" (about the corruption of the Supreme Court) and his latest, "Unfreedom of the Press" from which he's read a lot on his program recently -- good stuff.
Oh I know EvC can only hate all this and will only say mean things about this post but I'm here to post about what *I* appreciate anyway.
Today he read from an article in a magazine called City Journal, by a Harry Stein, about today's "progessive" Democrats and other leftists, as seen through a book written in 1941 by a Eugene Lyons, about the same political mess that existed in those days, titled "The Red Decade." The article is titled "The Red Decade Redux."
I know of course that nobody here will accept that today's Left has anything in common with Stalinism but I might as well make another effort to get the point across even knowing it will be trashed. It matters hugely, it represents the destruction of America if it isn't stopped.
So here's the first paragraph of the article on the subject:
It may be that the best book that will ever be written about today’s progressive mind-set was published in 1941. That in The Red Decade author Eugene Lyons was, in fact, describing the Communist-dominated American Left of the Depression-wracked 1930s and 1940s makes his observations even more meaningful, for it is sobering to be confronted with how little has been gained by hard experience. The celebration of feelings over reason? The certainty of moral virtue? The disdain for tradition and the revising of history for ideological ends? The embrace of the latest definition of correct thought? Lyons was one of the most gifted reporters of his time, and among the bravest, and his story of the spell cast by Stalinist-tinged social-justice activism over that day’s purported best and brightest”literary titans, Hollywood celebrities, leading academics, religious leaders, media heavies”would be jaw-dropping if it weren’t so eerily familiar.
The book, the Red Decade is online by the way.

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Chiroptera
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Message 2373 of 5796 (855975)
06-25-2019 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 2372 by Faith
06-24-2019 11:56 PM


Re: Yes today's Left/Izquierdo really is Marxist, even Stalinist
The celebration of feelings over reason? The certainty of moral virtue? The disdain for tradition and the revising of history for ideological ends? The embrace of the latest definition of correct thought?
Wow! That's kind of an eerie prediction of today's rightwing.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Taq
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Message 2374 of 5796 (855994)
06-25-2019 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 2372 by Faith
06-24-2019 11:56 PM


Re: Yes today's Left/Izquierdo really is Marxist, even Stalinist
Faith writes:
I know of course that nobody here will accept that today's **** has anything in common with Stalinism but I might as well make another effort to get the point across even knowing it will be trashed. It matters hugely, it represents the destruction of America if it isn't stopped.
I think I am liking JonF's assessment of American politics:
Republicans oppose Democrats because of what Republicans say Democrats do.
Democrats oppose Republicans because of what Republicans do.
Faith's posts are a perfect example of this in action. Democrats simply want to regulate capitalism. That isn't Stalinism. Democrats want a single payer healthcare system like tons of other first world countries that aren't communist. That's called Stalinism. Democrats want companies to stop polluting. Stalinism? Apparently. Democrats want to protect workers from the dark side of capitalism while still supporting capitalism. That's not Stalinism.
If Republicans proposed the same policies as Democrats do, I bet the right wing would lap it up.

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JonF
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Message 2375 of 5796 (855995)
06-25-2019 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 2374 by Taq
06-25-2019 1:44 PM


Re: Yes today's Left/Izquierdo really is Marxist, even Stalinist
The individual provisions of the ACA were always far more popular than "Obamacare" in the polls.

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Taq
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Message 2376 of 5796 (856000)
06-25-2019 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 2375 by JonF
06-25-2019 1:48 PM


Re: Yes today's Left/Izquierdo really is Marxist, even Stalinist
JonF writes:
The individual provisions of the ACA were always far more popular than "Obamacare" in the polls.
Not to mention that a very similar bill was proposed by Republicans in the not so distant past. The ACA was a compromise between the Democratic and Republican ideologies where private health insurance was preserved and subsidized by tax dollars. The only real reason Republicans opposed it is because they didn't want Obama to succeed.

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Chiroptera
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Message 2377 of 5796 (856001)
06-25-2019 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 2374 by Taq
06-25-2019 1:44 PM


Re: Yes today's Left/Izquierdo really is Marxist, even Stalinist
Democrats want a single payer healthcare system like tons of other first world countries that aren't communist.
Many Democrats.
And many Democrats would be happy with a beefed up version of Obamacare - maybe with a public option - which leaves the insurance companies involved. Some non-communist countries have a system like this; I believe the Netherlands is an example. And this is even more not communist!

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Faith 
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Message 2378 of 5796 (856005)
06-25-2019 4:30 PM


Right, it's impossible to be wrong about how EvC is going to respond to a post about how today's Left is llke Communism in the thirties, even if the source is a book written in 1941 by a respected journalist who llved through it, was first enamored of it and then changed his mind.
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Chiroptera
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Message 2379 of 5796 (856017)
06-25-2019 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 2378 by Faith
06-25-2019 4:30 PM


Right, it's impossible to be wrong about how EvC is going to respond to a post about how today's **** is llke Communism in the thirties....
I admit I'm not too sure what Communism in the US was like in the '30s.
But comparisons with a long ago movement is kind of irrelevant; I can see what the American Left today is actually doing or attempting to do. Most of what I can actually see are things I do support.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Faith 
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Message 2380 of 5796 (856018)
06-25-2019 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 2379 by Chiroptera
06-25-2019 5:08 PM


Right, your opinion is far more important than the article about the book that I linked, which aims to show that today's Left IS llke the Communism of the thirties. No need to consider any of that, your own opinion trumps it all. Of course. There is no such thing as new information that might give you a different perspective. That absolutely cannot happen.

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Faith 
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Message 2381 of 5796 (856020)
06-25-2019 5:17 PM


Commie Style Censorship
All the asterisks I've been getting certainly seem to confirm that we're living in an era when the Left can't be criticized at all, very much like the days of Stalinist Communism. Can't even use the term "censorship."
Funny too, that if you read the list of FAQs at the top of the page you'll run across the question -- fifth from the bottom -- if there are any censor provisions or something like that, and if you click on it you get the answer that this site does not engage in censorship.
Unless that's been removed recently.
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Taq
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Message 2382 of 5796 (856027)
06-25-2019 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 2377 by Chiroptera
06-25-2019 2:57 PM


Re: Yes today's Left/Izquierdo really is Marxist, even Stalinist
Chiroptera writes:
And many Democrats would be happy with a beefed up version of Obamacare - maybe with a public option - which leaves the insurance companies involved. Some non-communist countries have a system like this; I believe the Netherlands is an example. And this is even more not communist!
Private insurance is already a part of the Medicare system. Medicare covers 80% of the cost, and if my understanding is correct there are a few loopholes for some coverage. People can elect to get private supplemental insurance that covers what Medicare does not. This is very similar to systems in other countries, and it works well.

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Taq
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Message 2383 of 5796 (856028)
06-25-2019 5:40 PM
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06-25-2019 5:11 PM


Faith writes:
Right, your opinion is far more important than the article about the book that I linked, which aims to show that today's **** IS llke the Communism of the thirties.
So how is it like the Communism of the Thirties?

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ooh-child
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Message 2384 of 5796 (856030)
06-25-2019 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 2372 by Faith
06-24-2019 11:56 PM


Re: Yes today's Left/Izquierdo really is Marxist, even Stalinist
I love Mark Levin
https://thehill.com/...rk-levin-i-would-never-vote-for-trump
Did you love him in April, 2016?
"Conservative radio host Mark Levin says he will not vote for Donald Trump in the general election because of Trump’s connection to controversial strategist Roger Stone.
"I'm not voting for Donald Trump. Period. . These bully, dirty tricks, Nixonian tactics, they're only going to backfire. So, count me as never Trump," Levin said Friday.

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Chiroptera
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Message 2385 of 5796 (856031)
06-25-2019 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 2380 by Faith
06-25-2019 5:11 PM


I see you missed my point. I probably wasn't being very clear.
I can see, in real life, the real bills that are introduced by real legislators in real legislatures and by real members of Congress in the real Congress.
I can see real legislation being passed or not being passed by real lawmakers.
I can see real regulations being enacted by real agencies and real officials in real executive branches.
I can see real lawsuits being filed by real people and real advocacy groups.
I can see real court decisions rendered by real judges.
I can read the real speeches, opinions, and articles written by real advocates to try to gain the support of the public.
The labels applied by some book aren't all that relevant; what I see the Left doing and saying are, in the most part, things I support.
To the point: I think that religious beliefs should be no excuse to disobey a state's anti-discrimination laws. If you want to try to talk me out of this, then calling it Communist isn't going to work; you'll have to argue the merits of the case.
I think that most illegal immigrants don't need to be held in custody, and those that do deserve to be held in humane conditions. Am I wrong? You'll need to argue it's merits, not just label it Communist.
I think the global climate change poses an existential threat to civilization and we need to stop using fossil fuels. Calling it Communist really isn't relevant; the facts and evidence need to be discussed.
I think all people should have access to affordable and decent healthcare. To convince me... well, surel I've made the point.
I am on the Left, and unashamed of it. (Hell, I even admit to being a socialist, although I don't mind being called a liberal.) If someone is going to try to convince me that I'm wrong, their going to have to present cogent reasons why the things I support are wrong on their merits, not by calling thema very bad name.
Calling the Left Communists is really just a lazy way out of doing the hard work of presenting reasoned arguments based on facts.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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