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Author Topic:   My health journey and why I no longer believe everything my doctors say
Theodoric
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Message 30 of 39 (846420)
01-05-2019 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by coffee_addict
01-04-2019 9:31 AM


But keep in mind that ketone is acidic and in the long run can do some damage to your cardiovascular system.
Those are fear mongering weasel words. Our bodies have lots of acids in them. We even put acids regularly into our bodies. Acids are not necessarily something bad. As a matter of fact life would not exist without amino acids and fatty acids.
Yes ketoacidosis is bad, but a keto diet is not going to cause it.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 33 of 39 (856093)
06-26-2019 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by coffee_addict
06-26-2019 11:11 AM


A review of it states this.
quote:
While the study couldn't prove cause-and-effect, experts said the findings spotlight the potential impact of such diets -- or any "extreme" way of eating -- on long-term health.
'Low-Carb' Diet May Up Odds for an Early Death
More on this study, that is not a published study.
quote:
The supposed link to “premature death” of a “low carbohydrate diet” were said to be part of a large study that was presented at the European Society of Cardiology (ESC) Congress 2018 in Munich, Germany, but when I went to find the journal in which the study was published so I could read it, I discovered that it’s not even been published yet. I even checked the lead author’s Publication page on ResearchGate and could not find the published study. Furthermore, the findings were not presented as one of the more than 500 Conference sessions of research studies at the European Society of Cardiology Congress, but was one of the 4,500 Abstract presentations ” not even as a talk, but as a Poster Session.
Are Low Carbohydrate Diets Linked to Risk of Premature Death?
Read this article and you will understand why this "study" was never published. Lots of issues with it.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 35 of 39 (856124)
06-27-2019 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Hyroglyphx
06-27-2019 8:21 AM


No Hyro, most Dr's are not incompetent
Most doctors are generalists and, believe it or not, are getting their information from the same sources anyone could with a Google search on PubMed or the New England Journal of Medicine.
Not true at all. In the USA generalists do not really exist any more. In order to get credentialed MDs and DOs need to specialize. Internal Medicine and Family Medicine are specialties and these doctors are highly trained. They do not just use Google and the New England Journal. There are a lot of specialized journals that the public would not know about and doctors need to do an extensive amount of continuing education every year.
The vast majority of doctors I know follow and practice evidence based medicine. If there is evidence, which means rigorous studies to back, then they will look at it and make a determination if it is something they should back.
This is an issue you have with a lot of your arguments. You paint whole classes of people with a wide brush. Doctors do not act and practice as a monolithic group. It is offensive that you treat a whole group of people as a mindless mass.
Full disclosure.
My wife is the medical director at a Community Health Center. She is in the frontlines providing health care to the most vulnerable members of our society. She does not get her info from the "same sources anyone could with a Google search on PubMed or the New England Journal of Medicine." She is an extremely intelligent, competent and respected physician.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 37 of 39 (856137)
06-27-2019 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Hyroglyphx
06-27-2019 12:40 PM


Re: Theo, still easily offended
Wow. Won't even support what you said.
I'm not saying that doctors don't know shit
You heavily implied that they were lazy and were worthless. If you want to retrract that go right ahead but we can all read what you said.
like Family Practice or Emergency Medicine, which are a generalized fields due to the wide range of symptoms they see, make their own diagnoses but are standardized treatments.
Yes treatments based on empirical evidence. There is saying in medicine. If you hear hoof beats don't look for zebras.
Sometimes doctors don't really know what the hell is going on with you or how to treat it.
No shit. That happens in every field. That is why they look at the latest data.
On average, there 85,000 malpractice cases annually as a testament to this.
And what specialties are responsible for the vast majority of cases? It isn't the family practice docs.
Malpractice Risk, by Physician Specialty | RAND
There are thousands upon thousands of great doctors. But the average time ER and Family Practice doctors actually sit and talk with a patient is 5-10 minutes.
This is dictated by insurance companies not the doc's. There is more to an appt than talking to the patient, though that is important.
but we need to stop treating them infallibly
I actually know no one that does and know no doc's that expect to be treated that way.
Yes, I do take offense. I take offense from you a lot because you have a tendency to make statesment about whole groups of people. Statements that tend to be false or ignorant at best.
Lets look at your original comment I took exception to.
I also don't believe half of what doctors say. The only time I give them more credence is when they are specialists who have been in that field for 5 or more years. Most doctors are generalists and, believe it or not, are getting their information from the same sources anyone could with a Google search on PubMed or the New England Journal of Medicine.
Yeah that is offensive to a lot of hard working knowledgeable doctors.
The butt-hurt is strong with you.
Go fuck yourself.
Edited by Theodoric, : spelling

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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