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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Nice precision. I was born in the 2000s, 1952 to be precise. ... founded in the 700s, 606 AD to be precise....All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
One of our members has this in his signature:
Okay, so what is “the will of my Father”?quote:The will of your Father is for you to do justly, love mercy and walk humbly with your God. Dredge writes:
You should follow that clue a little further. What does it mean to "believe"? Here’s a clue: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.... Are you a True Believer if you mouth "Lord! lLord!"
quote:Apparently not. quote:And quote:The ones who inherit the kingdom - i.e. the real believers - are the ones who feed the hungry, etc. not the ones who only profess belief. All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
What? ringo writes:
Uh huh. Lets how about I??? fOCUS. Eating the fruit made Adam and Eve more like God. He said so Himself.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Are you suggesting that we should measure righteousness by body count? Try googling the deaths attributed to Communist regimes in the 20th century.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Do you mean that this "hate" originate with Jesus Himself...?quote:And to clarify, "hate" in this context is more of a willingness to give something up: quote:Similar to when He told the rich man to sell what he had and give to the poor - which you reject. All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
At least one of the verses is wrong. We already know, since Genesis 3, that God is capable of bending the truth.
You quote a verse like this ” “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things” (Isaiah 45:7) out of context, but then when I ask you to explain how God can be “evil” in this verse, yet be “a righteous God” a few verses later (v.21), you have no sensible answer. Dredge writes:
You really ought to read the Bible before you bumble into Bible discussions.
You really ought to leave Bible discussions to those who can present arguments that rise above your level of bumbling, ignorant amateur. Dredge writes:
Take your own advice. Approaching the subject honestly and with an open mind would also help.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
So, is that Jesus' left-handed way of admitting that the serpent in Genesis 3 was right? Christianity: Jesus said, “I send you out as lambs in the midst of wolves, so be as wise as serpents but as innocent as doves” (Matt 10:16).All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
So can all of us. Bullshit is not hard to detect. I can listen to a sermon for two minutes and discern whether the Pastor is "one of us" or not.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
Intelligence can only work with existing processes. What I am claiming is the incredibly high degree of improbability that the processes themselves existed without an intelligent cause.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Because it doesn't line up with any standards of reality or logic.
How do you know its bullshit? Only because it doesnt line up with your standards? Phat writes:
That's an empty claim. Back it up or withdraw it.
Your way of Biblical interpretation is the one that is way off. Phat writes:
And you know damn well it is. You yourself are the first to say that Zeus and the Flying Spaghetti Monster are made up.
First of all, you assert that God is a made up concept within human minds. Phat writes:
And why wouldn't they?
Then you go on to say that the stories do have value despite being mythos... Phat writes:
We know that's true because we are social animals.
...and you trot out matthew 25 and proudly say that yes, yes we should give to the poor. Phat writes:
Yes, the Jesus character understood that we are social animals. And?
...you determine that according to humanist consensus, we should obey the character Jesus in the book. Phat writes:
There's no need to "substitute" anything. We can understand what it means to be social animals without spackling on a "God" layer.
In essence what you have done is humanize the story of a Deity and substituted humans correcting humans. Phat writes:
We already have that. It's called taxation. They had it in the Old testament. It was called tithing.
I wouldn't be surprised to see you lobby for legislation for mandatory compulsive giving to help the poor. Phat writes:
Stop being such an asshole. You're turning into faith. #Extreme Socialist I'm pointing out what Jesus fucking told you to do! You're spitting in His face.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
Exactly. The only level of intelligence there is. If you're claiming that some entity has something "beyond intelligence", don't call it intelligence. Why not just call it magic?
Sure, with our human level of intelligence. GDR writes:
That isn't really much of a question - unless you have a canned answer that you're trying to sell.
The processes exist. The question is why. GDR writes:
Of course there is no such thing as "absolute knowledge" - but no, Stile's view is not as subjective as yours. His view is based on what we objectively know.
His view is every bit as subjective as mine and isn't absolute knowledge of the truth. GDR writes:
No, probability is not subjective. It's mathematics. I do claim though that my conclusion is more probable, but that again is subjective.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
Well, it does. It throws the whole idea of intelligence out the window because intelligence is not what you're talking about. You're reducing the idea to something completely made up.
Call it whatever you like but that doesn't make any point beyond the use of words. GDR writes:
I'm saying that the people who ask "why the processes exist" tend to be people who (think they) already know the answer. The rest of us have enough to do trying to understand the processes.
I am not arguing for a canned answer but simply against Stile's claim of knowledge. GDR writes:
Yes. Everything beyond there is subjective.
Stile's view is based on what we objectively know and stopping there. GDR writes:
That's a meaningless question. The concept of "God" doesn't add anything to the answer. ..and just how did the laws of mathematics become part of our existence?All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I didn't say a word about you not giving enough. I asked you not to call call me an "extreme socialist". Learn what the word means.
Not that I need to justify anything to anyone...but I give enough. Phat writes:
We have only your self-serving word on that. The Church in Rome disagreed with you. (See Ananias and Sapphira.)
Jesus did not command everyone to give all they have. Phat writes:
The gospel of Luke says that Zaccheus offered half. It doesn't say he got away with it.
Zaccheus got away with giving part away.. Phat writes:
Well, you quoted it:
My only nitpick is what is meant by "left over"?quote:What part of "nothing left over" is confusing to you? And:quote:sounds a lot like, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need," doesn't it? Phat writes:
And both of you prove you're not. By their fruits ye shall know them.
Faith and I are different yet similar. Both of us think we are smarter than the rest of you in regards to Theology. Phat writes:
That's kinda like throwing away only one wheel on your car. It has the same effect as throwing all of them away. She goes on to tear apart secular science---something I wouldn't do except in regards to the existence and reality of God and Jesus in particular---living eternally today.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
Nonsense. It's as objective as anything we know.
The view that we are all the result of a series of mindless processes is just as made up as is the idea that the processes had an intelligent root. GDR writes:
I agree - and it's an unimportant question.
Understanding "why" the processes exist is an entirely different question than actually understanding the processes. GDR writes:
No we have not. I'm saying that Stile's position is objective and yours is not. My only disagreement with Stile is over the use of the word "know". I make more of a distinction between not knowing it's true and knowing it's false. It seems we have reached an agreement. Stile's views and my views are both subjective and neither one of us "know" that we are correct.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
No. Read what you quoted. My only nitpick with Stile is over the use of the word "know". Stile's claim is that he "knows" God does not exist. That claim means that he believes his views are objective, and he attempts to give an objective rationale for his statement. It seems to me that we agree that he has failed to do so.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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