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Message 60 of 75 (856253)
06-28-2019 11:13 PM
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06-28-2019 9:28 PM


Re: Bart Ehrman said Origen believed in reincarnation. (Jan 2019)
Ehrman is a heretic and so was Origen.

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Message 62 of 75 (856256)
06-28-2019 11:52 PM
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Re: Bart Ehrman said Origen believed in reincarnation. (Jan 2019)
What we do with heretics is try to make it known that they are heretics so they won't seduce others into their beliefs.
A heretic is someone who promotes a belief system that contradicts the traditional system in important ways. I believe it would be right to call GDR a heretic, and his hero Wright. A belief in reincarnation would be such a contradiction.

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Message 64 of 75 (856258)
06-29-2019 12:26 AM
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06-29-2019 12:11 AM


Re: Bart Ehrman said Origen believed in reincarnation. (Jan 2019)
Yes, questioning the authorship of books of the Bible could make him a heretic. I'm not up on what all he believes, mostly I know that he was a disciple of famous Bible scholar Metzger, known as an unbeliever, who refused to accept the book of Daniel as prophecy etc.
If Origen taught reincarnation certainly that makes him a heretic. And Alexandria is known as a place where heretics flourished in the early centuries. That's one reason to doubt the "Alexandrian" Bible manuscripts that were "found" in recent times and are now used to replace the authentic manuscripts, which is a great fraud on the Church. Dean John William Burgon said this type of manuscript with many omissions of famous passages as well as altered words, was known to have been altered by early heretics such as the gnostics. They were rejected for years until a couple of heretics foisted them on a very naive Church in 1881
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Message 66 of 75 (856260)
06-29-2019 1:12 AM
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06-29-2019 12:58 AM


Re: Bart Ehrman said Origen believed in reincarnation. (Jan 2019)
...my "obsessions with the Hebrew text?" I don't think I've ever said a word about the Hebrew text. As I understand it the Hebrew texts weren't available to translators of the Christian Bible until very late, but I don't know the date. Maybe Erasmus had the first? Anyway, I've certainly talked about the GREEK texts of the NEW Testament, and the Alexandrian versions of these I've called a fraud on the Church, having been tampered with by gnostics in the early centuries, according to Burgon.
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Message 68 of 75 (856315)
06-29-2019 3:02 PM
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06-29-2019 2:52 PM


Re: Bart Ehrman said Origen believed in reincarnation. (Jan 2019)
I believe Burgon specifically referred to Marcion though I may be misremembering. And no there's nothing about their adding, it was all subtracting.
And as far as the Hebrew goes, as I said I've never mentioned it and don't address it at all anywhere that I recall. But as for the Masoretic text it is well known that the Jews were scrupulous about preserving the text exactly and that makes it the best Hebrew text. Also we know that the Hebrew books found in the Dead Sea Scrolls match ours exactly.

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Message 70 of 75 (856321)
06-29-2019 3:44 PM
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Re: Bart Ehrman said Origen believed in reincarnation. (Jan 2019)
There were Septuagint mss as well as Masoretic mss in the DSS.
I certainly don't consider the Alexandrian mss to have been inspired.

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Message 72 of 75 (856345)
06-29-2019 8:10 PM
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Re: Bart Ehrman said Origen believed in reincarnation. (Jan 2019)
Whut? I DON'T consider the scholars honest who think the Alexandrian mss are legit.
It's obvious nothing has been added when you see the comparisons many have made. It's all subtractions.
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