|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
EvC Forum active members: 66 (9164 total) |
| |
ChatGPT | |
Total: 916,481 Year: 3,738/9,624 Month: 609/974 Week: 222/276 Day: 62/34 Hour: 1/4 |
Thread ▼ Details |
|
Thread Info
|
|
|
Author | Topic: Some states protect women's rights | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Is it a "straw man" in that it never happens, or that you're not saying restrictions on it happening shouldn't be on the books? The "it" I'm talking about is this 39-week abortion. Does it really exist? I don't think so. I think it's a sham, a straw man, fabricated to inflame passions against woman's rights and abortion at any time.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
|
Does that mean you think it would be OK to put restrictions on 39-week abortions? Does this mean you cannot answer the question?Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
|
But doesn't this mean an abortion of a 1-week gestation fetus is no different from the abortion of a 39-week gestation fetus? Is there such a thing as a 39-week abortion?Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Oh that is just such a BS move.
You want to be taken seriously in these corridors? Produce! You made a statement of fact in a very emotionally laden discussion. Nulius In Verba. Resources are not just required they are demanded. Produce or withdraw.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
|
Good. You found a law in NY that allows late term abortion when the mother’s health is gravely affected. You found another in VA to further give such rights to women.
Fact. All states allow late term abortions. Half of the states have no restrictions on abortion late term or any other time. As it should be. The other half restrict abortions after 20+- weeks to cases of medical need. You oppose this why? Now the next step in your emotional straw man. Show me the 39-week abortion. Show me why it was done. Show me a 39-week abortion contrary to medical necessity. Do you expect/require a woman to carry the fetus to her own death? Do you expect/require a woman to carry a fetus that is already dead? Does a woman need your permission or the permission of a bunch of religiously inspired old white republicans in the legislature before she can abort under these conditions? I see it as the essence of human dignity that we should be free in our own bodies. It is at the very core of how we will allow governments of law to treat human beings. A woman’s right, as anyone’s right for their own body, should be seen as absolute. If we cannot protect a woman’s rights in this most basic of moments then protections exist for no one. She must be allowed to decide in her own way free from the interference of government just as we all demand for our own bodies. The government has no right to any part of my body or anyone’s body. That concept needs to be set as a corner stone of modern law. And we set that precedent for all of us by acknowledging, in law and in court, a woman’s right to her own. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
But not entirely bodily integrity issues. Absolutes are tricky. That's what courts are for.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Except we're not talking the UK but a 39-week abortion outside of medical necessity here in the USofA. The UK health law recognizing sever fetal handicap as sufficient to request such a late termination is not the topic here.
I suspect around these parts any such incident would have a justification that we all might look at and say, "Oh, Ok." You know they have to be out there. So let's see one. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Well, since it is a national health service, and bureaucracies being what they are, I can't imagine they wouldn't keep such records.
Also, please realize, there has always been legally sanctioned abortion in the USofA in cases where the mother's health was threatened. Nothing different from today's laws. The legal struggle is with elective abortion. Abortion opponents, who want to return to the 1950s when illegal elective abortions caused the deaths of thousands of women and their babies through unsanitary procedures, are using the mental nightmare of 39-week abortions to inflame their passions. Fact is such abortions, with mom's health in danger, have *always* been allowed and performed. You want to inflame passions with 39-week abortion? Show me one that was elective, unnecessary, and allowed by law. Show me a 39-week abortion.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
the procedure is performed on a healthy mother and healthy fetus that is 20 weeks or more along in development. That is still a very small number of the abortions performed. From the CDC:
quote: CDCs Abortion Surveillance SystemEschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
That is insane. The idea that you need to kill a baby at that stage for the health of the mother? Do you really think these things are done in a vacuum? Do you know that at these later stages of gestation such procedures are only done with the approval of the hospital's ethics committee? There are sound medical reasons for these procedures. They are not out to kill just for the jollies of killing.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Correct. They are so much better than they used to be before such procedures were crafted and, these days, they actually take the woman's wishes into consideration.
The reason I know all this is because a work mate of mine's wife was in an accident about 4 years ago. At some +22 weeks gestation the ethics committee deciding her case chose a riskier procedure in hopes of saving the kid when she asked them to keep the kid alive. Didn't work. Too premature. Kid was lost 2 days after. Your ideas on the ethics used is woefully naive and self-serving. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Yes, of course. Only a True ChristianTM can make ethical decisions.
You christians really hate everything.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
There wouldn't be any civil rights at all, any generally peaceful civilized life, any sense of shared community, any trust between people, any of the good things you take for granted in America, if christians had their way. (emphisis mine) We managed to have all this and more despite your violent christian objections. And we can have all these things because we ignore you and your god now. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
... but God's definition is the one believers must obey. Fine. Obey. Then let the rest of us alone.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
See Message 609
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024