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Tangle
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Message 580 of 752 (856410)
06-30-2019 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 575 by Thugpreacha
06-30-2019 2:31 PM


Re: Take A Side
Phat writes:

That assumes that God would need to be entertained.

Why wouldn't he? If you can make shit up about him so can I.

No, Tangle He is very much intervening with all of us.

So you're actually agreeing with me, he does entertain himselfwith us.

Do you want evidence? I am the evidence. I bug you incessantly.

So do my kids. So what. You're evidence of delusion that's all.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 587 of 752 (856464)
07-01-2019 3:56 AM
Reply to: Message 586 by Thugpreacha
07-01-2019 3:20 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Phat writes:

I would claim that the fringe does not speak for the majority,

But it's not a fringe. Evangelicals are a large part of the Christian movement yet they're tapping blind people on the shoulder telling them that they can be cured.

Catholics are an even bigger movement yet the institution is rotten to the core.

So what is this majority?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 589 of 752 (856466)
07-01-2019 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 588 by Thugpreacha
07-01-2019 6:41 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
It happens all the time here in London apparently - blind man was complaining about it on the radio only last week.

But the general question is where is this minority? When I last drove round the USA there were wacky churches and radio stations everywhere.

If you're spending all night listening to evangelical pod casts, no wonder your mind is fucked.

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 627 of 752 (856806)
07-03-2019 1:21 AM
Reply to: Message 626 by Thugpreacha
07-02-2019 7:38 PM


Re: How To Determine Chosen Human Instruments
Phat writes:

but both you and I can appear a bit whack-o some times.

Not even close.

Neither of you have any formal training in anything yet all of a sudden you start claiming to be a teacher and Faith, from her armchair, who has never read a research paper in any discipline, tells us that archaeology, physics, biology, astronomy, palaeontology, geology and molecular genetics are all so wrong that we might as well throw them all away and start again. And we should do it because of a stone age myth composed of folk legends.

'A bit whacko at times? Not even close.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 630 of 752 (856811)
07-03-2019 4:17 AM
Reply to: Message 629 by Faith
07-03-2019 2:40 AM


Re: How To Determine Chosen Human Instruments
Faith writes:

You repeat this from time to time although it's totally false and I've explained how. The only science I object to is whatever is based on the ToE, but most of the work in all those sciences you list does not depend on the ToE.

All those sciences which you DO say are flat out wrong, include core observations that would falsify them if wrong - speed of light, age of rocks, genetic mutation, mutation and mitochondrial dating, genome variation, radiometric dating (and hence all of radio science) archaeological and historical data, dendrochronology, mechanical sorting, etc etc do not depend in any way on the ToE. They are totally independent of it.

If the ToE did not exist, you would still have those objections. Everything is interlinked, the ToE is a conclusion from observations. You just make shit up and call all sciences wrong. It's real bat-shit crazy stuff.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 632 of 752 (856814)
07-03-2019 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 631 by Faith
07-03-2019 6:14 AM


Re: How To Determine Chosen Human Instruments
Faith writes:

No, it's only the ToE,

It is absolutely not. Those other sciences prove that the earth is old and have nothing to do with the biology or the ToE. Or have you suddenly become an old-earther?

and all of those sciences could do their work without it,

And that's exactly what they do.

although they act as if they couldn't because it's so taken for granted.

Yes, old earth and universe is totally settled science, only religious nutters dispute it. Totally without evidence of course.

And I don't dispute anything you said about mutations and genetics, just what they do and what they mean.

Which, of course, covers pretty much everything.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 634 of 752 (856869)
07-03-2019 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 633 by Thugpreacha
07-03-2019 4:45 PM


Re: How To Determine Chosen Human Instruments
Phat writes:

The jury is still out regarding this myth.


All your juries are always out Phat; have you not noticed?

Even atheists must admit that there is a good probability that the social media driven information age, coupled with the historical tendency of autocratic dictators to use technology to attempt to enslave a persecuted group makes for the liklihood of a conflict globally approaching the size and scope of a World War.

Oh terrific, now you've gone all armageddon on us. Why do you religious weirdos always do that? And what's atheism got to do with anything.

You're getting worse but you're enjoying the trip aren't you?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tangle
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Message 693 of 752 (859137)
07-29-2019 2:39 AM
Reply to: Message 689 by Thugpreacha
07-28-2019 3:07 PM


Re: jar prefers Whiskey to Kool Aid
Phat writes:

surrendering to Him.

What does this actually mean Phat?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 749 of 752 (861022)
08-15-2019 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 744 by Thugpreacha
08-15-2019 10:41 AM


Re: Be careful what you teach.
Phat writes:

You seem to think humanity can do good enough simply doing what the characters suggest and that its ok to be secular humanist atheists.

Well it would be a start wouldn't it? I mean, a really, really good start.

And there is one basic reason why its not ok. Because none are righteous.

What does that mean Phat?

We need Communion as well as responsible effort.

What does that mean Phat?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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