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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 737 days) Posts: 2236 Joined:
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Tonight's debate was powerful.
I seemed to notice this issue (though I spent few words detailing why it was so important, and now I wish I said more) in my OP. Here was how I started my OP:
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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I would be far happier if the Democratic nomination turned out to be between Warren and Harris than between Sanders and Biden.
Am I the only one?It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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Very much agree. Either one will make a great candidate and a great President. Whichever does not become President needs to nominate the other as Attorney General. Right now my VP choice would be Julian Castro.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2578 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.8
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Theodoric writes:
Whichever does not become President needs to nominate the other as Attorney General. Right now my VP choice would be Julian Castro. We need to keep as many incumbent Senators in the Senate as we cAn. Julian Castro would be a good strategic ticket with either Warren or Harris. But the cabinet needs to stay away from raiding this supply of Senators.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0
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We need to keep as many incumbent Senators in the Senate as we can. I think this includes Elizabeth Warren. I like her positions, but (just as 4 years ago) I think she may be a greater force as a Senator. And as someone else dared point out, I also think that EW has a pretty annoying vocal tonality. I like the idea of a progressive Congress (can the Senate be flipped???) powering the agenda, and a moderate Democrat President as the CEO. If the Congress can get the progressive bill(s)/agenda to the President, even a moderate Democrat President will sign-off on it. Minnesota has our "favorite daughter", Amy Klobuchar, in the race. I think she has done a solid, albeit low key (aka overshadowed by Al Franken) job as Senator. And at this point, I think the 2 Minnesota Senate seats are pretty safe to be held by Democrats. And I still think that "metoo" got used by the far right to unjustifiably crucify Al Franken. The one question I'd like to ask Al is "Why didn't you go for an ethics committee hearing?". Moose ps - I can't help but feel I have too many words above capitalized. Added by edit - Something I found to be worth watching:
An Important Message From Samantha Bee to Democratic Presidential Candidates: Run for the Senate, Dammit! Edited by Minnemooseus, : Change subtitle. Edited by Minnemooseus, : Added by edit.Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien "Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists in choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable." - John Kenneth Galbraith It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman (as stolen from Chiroptera's signature) "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Pocahontas is from Massachusetts and her replacement in the senate would probably not be a conservative republican. I'm ok taking that chance.
And as someone else dared point out, I also think that EW has a pretty annoying vocal tonality. Why do we do that? Why do we give so much service to small personal stuff when the ideas are the only important aspect of this whole exercise? I know, I know. Media, internet. Cult of personality instead of corpus of thought. This is the social landscape we created. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
And as someone else dared point out, I also think that EW has a pretty annoying vocal tonality. Why do we do that? Why do we give so much service to small personal stuff when the ideas are the only important aspect of this whole exercise? I tracked down the "someone else" message:
Taq in message 73 writes: I just wish hearing her voice didn't make me cringe. Sorry, but I have to 100% agree with Taq. I'll vote for her, or whoever (whomever?) the "D" candidate is. But I'd rather not have to experience the "nails on a chalkboard" effect when I hear the President speak. Still, not as nauseating as hearing Trump speak. Moose
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Have you ever listened to any recording of General Patton speaking?
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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Tuesday's column by Paul Krugman:
The Moochers of Middle America Krugman mentions how Biden was pwned by Harris in the debates and how this increases the chance that a progressive candidate will get the Democratic nomination. And now the Establishment Liberals are wringing their hands, spouting the usual "conventional wisdom" about how only a "moderate" candidate can possibly beat Trump.
So it’s worth parsing those claims. In what sense are the Dems moving too far left? What I’m seeing are three fairly distinct claims. First, that the party is endangering its electoral prospects. Second, that the party is being fiscally or economically irresponsible. Third, that Democrats are unfairly proposing to redistribute income from those who create wealth to those who don’t. So you should know that the first claim is probably wrong, the second is definitely wrong, and the third ignores the extent to which we already do a lot of redistribution in this country ” with Republican voters some of the biggest beneficiaries. As far as the first point is concerned, Krugman says what I've been saying: seeing how the "radical" Democrats' proposals are so popular, it should be easy to turn them into a winning campaign. The second point, Krugman points out that unlike Trump's tax cuts, Democrats' spending proposals would do much to help working people, and so should provide a boost to the economy. Finally, as far as the third point, Krugman talks about the so-called "moochers", many of whom live in conservative areas. One example is Kentucky:
Take the case of Kentucky. In 2017, the state received $40 billion more from the federal government than it paid in taxes. That’s about one-fifth of the state’s G.D.P.; if Kentucky were a country, we’d say that it was receiving foreign aid on an almost inconceivable scale. So if you really believe that Americans with higher incomes shouldn’t pay for benefits provided to those with lower incomes, you should be calling on “donor” states like New Jersey and New York to cut off places like Kentucky and let their economies collapse. And if that’s what you mean, you should let Mitch McConnell’s constituents know about it. Edited by Chiroptera, : Boy, my proof reading skills are awful!It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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Screw the Democratic establishment. There is no more time for republican lite. The establishment is in the pockets of the wealthy and corporations. Time for a party of the people. All the people. Even the poor and the oppressed.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Percy Member Posts: 22388 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
USA Today has ranked all the states from best to worst economically. To this I've added how the state voted in the 2016 presidential election. Blue states tend toward the top, red states toward the bottom. Also, in general red states receive more in federal handouts than they pay in taxes.
--Percy Edited by Percy, : Fix Maine, they split their delegates.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 836 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Yup, my favorite state is an outlier, but hey, soon as the daughter and I moved here, the whole place turned solid blue at the federal level, a feat no state outside of New England can boast -- and were in "flyover" country.
Please pardon my previous generalizations concerning West Texas, as there are good people thereabout, they are just vastly outnumbered. In my defense, the simple act of moving 360 miles away immediately ended an 8 year bout of clinical-grade depression, and ended the Nummular Dematitis I have been battling since the wife died. Sorry if I painted the source of my misery with too broad a brush. Now to address the topic at hand: Progressives Warren - too intelligent for misogynists.Sanders - too much moral integrity for Evangelicals. Gabbard - too much love for Syrian dictators and Indian Nationalists De Blasio - too much blotivating, don't you have a job already? Maybes Castro - for intelligent misogynists, should any exist. Still like the platform of this recent convert.Gillabrand - decent but invisible. Not heard much about income inequality and climate change Big Donor Whores More than Prepared to sell out the Poor and Middle Class Harris - Comcast among top ten, prepare for continued abuse by monopolies.Biden - proud supporter of the incarceration nation, credit card ripoffs, increasing student debt through bankruptcy laws, and the war on "drugs." provided it does not interfere with pharmaceutical company profits. Worse candidate than Hillary. Booker - funded by Wall Street, nuff said. Buttegeig - "All lives matter" - yeah right. At least he is somewhat able to take responsibility unlike all other "centrists" (lookin' at you Biden) Still a big donor whore who will screw over the 99%. Nobodies O'Rourke - discovering oneself should be accomplished before running for office.Williamson - the reason I moved away from California at 22, Loveable but looney. Hickenlooper - too stupid to know Colorado's prosperity is largely due to marijuana legalization. Also platform solely consists of bashing "socialism" whatever it means to his addled mind. Delaney - see previous sentence, Charlie must have donated his eyes. Ryan - another crazy lookin' white dude, not impressed. Klobuchar - "One must conquer oneself before one can conquer the world" - ancient Hindu saying. Inslee - glad someone is addressing climate change but I need someone who can address more than one issue. Swallwell - yeah Biden is too old, is Sanders? Seems miles ahead of you on stage as he can speak about more than one topic. Probably forgot the rest, which says something. Last chance suckers, AOC turns 35 on Oct, 13, 2024.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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Last chance suckers, AOC turns 35 on Oct, 13, 2024. Youngest president in US history?It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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anglagard Member (Idle past 836 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Youngest by far, Teddy beat JFK by a few months, at 41.
Even if AOC sat out a second Warren or Sanders term as VP (an ideal scenario}, she would be 39 when she becomes President. Poor bastards won't know what hit em'. Did you see the Cohen testimony?Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Youngest by far, Teddy beat JFK by a few months, at 41. Fun fact: Teddy was the youngest person (so far) to become President of the US, but JFK was the youngest person to win a Presidential election.It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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