Who Made God?

Interesting and sobering! Your article(s) exposed the rotten core of extremist Christianity. I would claim that the fringe does not speak for the majority, but if I am honest with myself, I can see some of my own adopted beliefs within the fringe.

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In Ken Stern’s book on the militias, A Force Upon the Plain, Toole explained how Identity recruitment works:

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“At the front end, it’s picking up lots and lots of people by hitting on issues that have wide appeal, like gun control and environmental restrictions, which enrage many people here out West. Then you go a little bit further into the funnel, and it’s about ideology, about the oppressiveness of the federal government. Then, further in, you get into the belief systems. The conspiracy . Finally, at the narrow end of the funnel, you’ve drawn in the hard core, where you get someone like Tim McVey.”

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Many of the Christians that I know would claim that the extremists do not represent real, true Christianity. I recall something that jar taught me a few years ago which stuck in my mind: Sometimes i find myself agreeing with the old curmudgeon from Texas.

But it's not a fringe. Evangelicals are a large part of the Christian movement yet they're tapping blind people on the shoulder telling them that they can be cured.Catholics are an even bigger movement yet the institution is rotten to the core.So what is this majority?

I listen to Evangelical Podcasts all night and have yet to hear any sermon promising blind people that they can see.

It happens all the time here in London apparently - blind man was complaining about it on the radio only last week.But the general question is where is this minority? When I last drove round the USA there were wacky churches and radio stations everywhere.If you're spending all night listening to evangelical pod casts, no wonder your mind is fucked. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Even if Saturn is sitting on your head you can tell it to buzz off.

As jar said most of us have no clue what that picture is about. Please explain.

Why do you accuse mainstream believers of the rare misdeeds of very few people who make up their own theology? Also when you talk of killing people "all over the world" who are you talking about? Muslims kill gays. They are also killing Christians in great numbers. Yet you don't bother with such distinctions.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Gods made God, silly.

"Nuh uh," is not an argument. And vice versa. Even if every word I said was wrong, it doesn't make you right.In fact, many times you are objectively wrong - but you try to defend your subjective position anyway. No wonder it's so hard to come up with an argument of substance.

It was a random meme from a movie known as Goodfellas. I wanted to capture an image of people laughing. I suppose that memes are dead to some...meaningless. Or we could say memingless

Is that supposed to excuse christians doing the same thing?Besides, Islam is also evil following in the finest of christian traditions. You both spring from the same god, the same genesis. You guys taught your demented younger brother well.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Christians never "did the same thing." We refuse to validate gay weddings but there is nothing violent in that. The violence has been coming from the other side who vandalized the Oregon bakery for their perfectly polite refusal. The law of marriage was only very recently changed and is now being used as a weapon against Christian obedience of GodYou know nothing of history. The Roman Church killed heretics. That's because they were a political power, which no Christian church should ever be. They are still a political power, the Vatican is actually a political State. During their centuries of persecuting others their theology wasn't even close to being Christian. When some priests actually read the Bible they found out that they were practicing something entirely different. They inherited the pagan superstitions of the Roman Empire and to a great extent lost the teachings of the Bible, subordinating them to the pagan superstitions. Collecting and reverencing relics is ridiculously pagan. So is turning "Mary" and other "saints" into objects of worship to be prayed to llke some pantheon of gods. The Rosary comes from pagan religion. I found that out when I spent time with a friend who was a Buddhist priestess: she kept a rosary wrapped around her forearm. Lighting candles is pagan. That totally weird garb worn by the priests and bishops is pagan, comes from the priests of the Roman religions: the fishhead mitre worn by the bishops comes from the worship of the fish god Dagon. The mother and child images of Catholicism have their source in many pagan religions, starting with the religion of Tammuz and Semiramis and expressed in the religions of Krishna and even some Asian religions. Extravagant wealth is displayed in their churches and their robes. Such wealth contradicts the very foundations of Christianity. They even forbade people to own it or read the Bible. Most of this is still in evidence in the RCC though in Protestant nations they act more like Protestants and are now allowed to read the Bible. AND THEY HAD THEIR EVLL INQUISITION WHICH WASN'T JUST CONFINED TO SPAIN BUT WENT ON IN VARIOUS FORMS IN EUROPE FOR SIX HUNDRED YEARS AND MURDERED FIFTY MILLION DISSENTING CHRISTIANS ALONG WITH SEVENTEEN MILLION JEWS AND OTHERS.NONE of that is Christian in spirit. It took the Protestant Reformation to begin to get the Church back to Christianity.Islam is an entirely different thing, totally made up by Mohammed from his basic illiteracy with a smattering of knowledge of some parts of the Bible, under the influence of what he thought was the angel Gabriel but was certainly a demon. One of Mohammed's aunts thought he was demon possessed. None of the teachings of Islam is Christian in spirit. When he discovered he couldnh't get people to accept it he went out killing them to motivate them. That's how the murderous religion of Islam "spread." It teaches the eventual subjugation of the entire world to "Allah," which was originally the hame of the pagan moon god. They all look to the eventual Kalifa when the entire human race will worship Allah, whether they can do it by persuasion or by murder.None of that is even remotely like Christianity which is the peaceful gospel of salvation through belief in Christ, and in spirit is self sacrificial.Perhaps you don't care. Too bad.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Weapon against god?No one is making you be gay against the dictates of your god.You have no right to tell anyone else they can not be gay.It is you using your god as a weapon against humanity.Christian is evil. Nah, it's the same thing only it wears a keffiyeh.

You are giving a very perverse and tendentious argument against the facts and excuse me but what YOU are doing is what is really evll. Not that it matters because your perverse opinion is becoming the popular one these days and true or not it's the Christains who are going to suffer as a result. However, we are told to expect that so I guess even we soft American Christians are going to have to learn to be eaten by lions and love it. Against believers in God. But yes against God too. I see I gave you more credit for reasonable though than you deserve. This is a perfectly ridiculous statement since we are not forced to be gay but forced to treat same sex marriage as legitimate, which is against the dictates of my God. They can have cake and coffee on the premises or a custom birthday cake. But we can't make them a wedding cake, sorry. The law is the evll thing here. Don't be ridiculous. Actually if anyone is telling anyone what they can or cannot be or do it's the new law happily enforced by the LGBT people now claiming the right to tell US that we cannot be Christians and believe what we've believed for thousands of years. Why aren't you pointing out that they have no right to tell US what we can be and do? That is an evll lle. We are quietly minding our own business when along comes someone who wants to make us accept THEIR belief system against our own and is willing to destroy our businesses, treat us as dhimmis and yes no doubt throw us to the lions for it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes. Being told to mind your own business and stop trying to control everyone's life is such a oppressive burden for the christian to bear. Forced to treat fellow humans as fellow humans. How tragic! Your hate is showing again. No one is saying you cannot be as hateful a christian as you want to be.But in the marketplace, if you sell cake, you have to sell to everyone. No discrimination allowed. If you cannot do that because of your hate then you shouldn't be in the business. Someone has to stop your very open very public displays of hate. I know you've been at it for thousands of years but it is time for your evil to end. I don't think that will help. Lions need to avoid all that cholesterol.Maybe we just yank your business license.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.