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ringo
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Message 127 of 286 (853916)
06-02-2019 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Faith
06-01-2019 3:34 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Faith writes:
They provided means for changing whatever doesn't keep pace with changing times you know...
Yes, they recognized that so why don't you?
Faith writes:
... their insights were timeless, built on centuries of trial and error.
Well, no. They built their democracy more or less from scratch. They could see what didn't work when despots did it but they were less certain about what would work. Hence, the possibility of, and need for, change.
Faith writes:
Despite pretenses to great changes, there really is "nothing new under the sun" and we need to recognize that.
You contradict yourself. Remember when you said, "They provided means for changing whatever doesn't keep pace with changing times"?
Faith writes:
You and the other "progressives" here are courting anarchy and chaos and the complete breakdown of society.
No, we're advocating "changing whatever doesn't keep pace with changing times."

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 129 of 286 (853921)
06-02-2019 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Faith
06-02-2019 2:40 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Faith writes:
As I said, they provided MEANS for changing the Constitution, llberals don't just get to change it as they please, we all get a say in it.
And that is what is happening. Why are you complaining about it?
Faith writes:
And no, they did NOT make it from scratch, it was the product of centuries of political experience in Europe.
The only democracy they had as a model was the one they broke away from.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 131 of 286 (853926)
06-02-2019 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Faith
06-02-2019 2:53 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Faith writes:
There is no process underway for amending the Constitution.
Of course there is. Stop saying dumb things. The process is there even of nobody is voting on an amendment at this very moment.
Faith writes:
Democracy is NOT what the Founders established, but a Republic...
A democratic republic.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Message 133 of 286 (853929)
06-02-2019 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Faith
06-02-2019 3:18 PM


Re: No obligation to let others use your body.
Faith writes:
Stop saying dumb things.
If you could point out how something was dumb, you wouldn't look so dumb.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Message 158 of 286 (854176)
06-05-2019 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Sarah Bellum
06-04-2019 3:26 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Sarah Bellum writes:
Whether or not you characterize it as a "political term" you still know what it refers to, don't you?
We also know what "Jewish conspiracy" refers to. It's a real term but not a real thing.

Izquierdo.

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ringo
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Message 180 of 286 (854518)
06-09-2019 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by Sarah Bellum
06-08-2019 3:20 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Sarah bellum writes:
... if I were to use the term partial-birth abortion would you be within your rights to say such a thing never happens?
Do you have evidence that it does?

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 187 of 286 (855343)
06-18-2019 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Sarah Bellum
06-18-2019 5:58 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Sarah Bellum writes:
Where does the term "partial-birth" abortion come from?
I didn't ask where the term comes from. I asked if it ever happens.
And to move thi gs along, if it does happen, what are the circumstances?

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
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Message 196 of 286 (855378)
06-18-2019 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Hyroglyphx
06-18-2019 7:45 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Well, if this was Hollywood trickery it looked pretty goddamn real.... and gruesome. It also looked full-term to me.
I asked for the circumstances and you say it appeared to be stillborn. That's the impression I got from the descriptions/definitions that have been posted. So it's not actually an abortion.
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 202 of 286 (855983)
06-25-2019 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by Sarah Bellum
06-25-2019 8:04 AM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Sarah Bellum writes:
The link from an NPR story has the information.
Does it answer my question? Was the fetus alive?

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 224 of 286 (856481)
07-01-2019 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by Sarah Bellum
06-30-2019 3:53 PM


Re: Is the fetus a human being? Is it a living creature that we allow you to kill?
Sarah Bellum writes:
But we have all kinds of laws regulating medical practice.
To say such laws are "dictating" is an abuse of language.
Do we have laws that force people to walk around with a gangrenous limb? Or with a tumour? I have no problem at all with calling that dictating.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 231 of 286 (856531)
07-01-2019 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Sarah Bellum
07-01-2019 11:57 AM


Re: Is the fetus a human being? Is it a living creature that we allow you to kill?
Sarah Bellum writes:
But we do have laws, surely you agree that some of them are not "dictating"!
Read my lips: I'm only talking about laws that would force somebody to carry around an unwanted (and potentially dangerous) body part. Are you suggesting that such a law would not be dictatorial?

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 241 of 286 (856582)
07-01-2019 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by Faith
07-01-2019 6:15 PM


Re: Law, Bill promoting late term abortions
Faith writes:
I only h a y t e evll.
You have a warped sense of what evil is.
quote:
Isaiah 5:20Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Calling love between two people evil is evil.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 243 of 286 (856584)
07-01-2019 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by Faith
07-01-2019 6:27 PM


Re: Law, Bill promoting late term abortions
Faith writes:
Odd that I haven't said anything like that then.
You should be clearer then. To me, and to a lot of people here, I'm sure, your raving against same-sex marriage sounds exactly like you're calling it evil.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 245 of 286 (856591)
07-01-2019 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Faith
07-01-2019 6:40 PM


Re: Law, Bill promoting late term abortions
Faith writes:
Same sex marriage violates God's law...
We've been through that many times. "God's law" regarding homosexuality is no different from "God's law" regarding shellfish or mixed fabrics. If you're going to stand up against homosexuality, you have to stand up against Red Lobster and Sears too.
Faith writes:
... how have I been "raving" against it?
Posting in all caps is practically the definition of raving.
Faith writes:
I just keep having to say over and over again....
Posting nonsense over and over again doesn't turn it into sense.
Faith writes:
And marriage isn't people, it's an institution so you are out of bounds to claim I'm raving against people.
Nonsense. Marriage is an agreement between two (or possibly more) people. You are raving against that agreement being recognized by the government.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 248 of 286 (856594)
07-01-2019 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Faith
07-01-2019 6:55 PM


Re: Law, Bill promoting late term abortions
Faith writes:
Yes we've been through it and you don't get to tell someone else what to believe.
I haven't told you what to believe. I've just pointed out that what you believe is nonsensical, unscriptural and unchristlike. You can believe that God has pink polka-dots for all I care but you're not going to get away with claiming it's Biblical.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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