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Message 590 of 752 (856467)
07-01-2019 7:35 AM
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07-01-2019 12:00 AM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers ThemselvesEve
Even if Saturn is sitting on your head you can tell it to buzz off.
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Message 591 of 752 (856471)
07-01-2019 7:56 AM
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06-30-2019 4:04 PM


Re: Take A Side
As jar said most of us have no clue what that picture is about. Please explain.
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Message 592 of 752 (856472)
07-01-2019 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 583 by AZPaul3
06-30-2019 7:23 PM


Re: The Evidence Is The Believers Themselves
Mandate of God: White Supremacy

Add killing abortion doctors and gay folks all over the world and the beat goes on.

Why do you accuse mainstream believers of the rare misdeeds of very few people who make up their own theology? Also when you talk of killing people "all over the world" who are you talking about? Muslims kill gays. They are also killing Christians in great numbers. Yet you don't bother with such distinctions.

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Faith
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Message 597 of 752 (856532)
07-01-2019 2:10 PM
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07-01-2019 1:49 PM


Christianity is not the same thing as Catholicism or Islam
Christians never "did the same thing." We refuse to validate gay weddings but there is nothing violent in that. The violence has been coming from the other side who vandalized the Oregon bakery for their perfectly polite refusal. The law of marriage was only very recently changed and is now being used as a weapon against Christian obedience of God

You know nothing of history. The Roman Church killed heretics. That's because they were a political power, which no Christian church should ever be. They are still a political power, the Vatican is actually a political State. During their centuries of persecuting others their theology wasn't even close to being Christian. When some priests actually read the Bible they found out that they were practicing something entirely different. They inherited the pagan superstitions of the Roman Empire and to a great extent lost the teachings of the Bible, subordinating them to the pagan superstitions. Collecting and reverencing relics is ridiculously pagan. So is turning "Mary" and other "saints" into objects of worship to be prayed to llke some pantheon of gods. The Rosary comes from pagan religion. I found that out when I spent time with a friend who was a Buddhist priestess: she kept a rosary wrapped around her forearm. Lighting candles is pagan. That totally weird garb worn by the priests and bishops is pagan, comes from the priests of the Roman religions: the fishhead mitre worn by the bishops comes from the worship of the fish god Dagon. The mother and child images of Catholicism have their source in many pagan religions, starting with the religion of Tammuz and Semiramis and expressed in the religions of Krishna and even some Asian religions. Extravagant wealth is displayed in their churches and their robes. Such wealth contradicts the very foundations of Christianity. They even forbade people to own it or read the Bible. Most of this is still in evidence in the RCC though in Protestant nations they act more like Protestants and are now allowed to read the Bible. AND THEY HAD THEIR EVLL INQUISITION WHICH WASN'T JUST CONFINED TO SPAIN BUT WENT ON IN VARIOUS FORMS IN EUROPE FOR SIX HUNDRED YEARS AND MURDERED FIFTY MILLION DISSENTING CHRISTIANS ALONG WITH SEVENTEEN MILLION JEWS AND OTHERS.

NONE of that is Christian in spirit. It took the Protestant Reformation to begin to get the Church back to Christianity.

Islam is an entirely different thing, totally made up by Mohammed from his basic illiteracy with a smattering of knowledge of some parts of the Bible, under the influence of what he thought was the angel Gabriel but was certainly a demon. One of Mohammed's aunts thought he was demon possessed. None of the teachings of Islam is Christian in spirit. When he discovered he couldnh't get people to accept it he went out killing them to motivate them. That's how the murderous religion of Islam "spread." It teaches the eventual subjugation of the entire world to "Allah," which was originally the hame of the pagan moon god. They all look to the eventual Kalifa when the entire human race will worship Allah, whether they can do it by persuasion or by murder.

None of that is even remotely like Christianity which is the peaceful gospel of salvation through belief in Christ, and in spirit is self sacrificial.

Perhaps you don't care. Too bad.

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Message 599 of 752 (856576)
07-01-2019 5:43 PM
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07-01-2019 5:27 PM


Re: Christianity is not the same thing as Catholicism or Islam
You are giving a very perverse and tendentious argument against the facts and excuse me but what YOU are doing is what is really evll. Not that it matters because your perverse opinion is becoming the popular one these days and true or not it's the Christains who are going to suffer as a result. However, we are told to expect that so I guess even we soft American Christians are going to have to learn to be eaten by lions and love it.

Weapon against god?

Against believers in God. But yes against God too.

No one is making you be gay against the dictates of your god.

I see I gave you more credit for reasonable though than you deserve. This is a perfectly ridiculous statement since we are not forced to be gay but forced to treat same sex marriage as legitimate, which is against the dictates of my God. They can have cake and coffee on the premises or a custom birthday cake. But we can't make them a wedding cake, sorry. The law is the evll thing here.

You have no right to tell anyone else they can not be gay.

Don't be ridiculous. Actually if anyone is telling anyone what they can or cannot be or do it's the new law happily enforced by the LGBT people now claiming the right to tell US that we cannot be Christians and believe what we've believed for thousands of years. Why aren't you pointing out that they have no right to tell US what we can be and do?

It is you using your god as a weapon against humanity.

That is an evll lle. We are quietly minding our own business when along comes someone who wants to make us accept THEIR belief system against our own and is willing to destroy our businesses, treat us as dhimmis and yes no doubt throw us to the lions for it.

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Message 601 of 752 (856589)
07-01-2019 6:43 PM
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07-01-2019 6:33 PM


Re: Christianity is not the same thing as Catholicism or Islam
Hey llar, the more you claim we're trying to control people's lives when it's the other way around the more hayteful you become.

It's working though, sad but true.

You have written the most vicious evll lylng stuff I've ever read here. Did you have some fundamentalist Christian in your llfe who caused such hayte?

Remember this law is new, my beliefs are old, not that you care, but this is just a political maneuver by hayters of Christianity like you to do away with us. I guess you can celebrate because it's working. Christians who have been in business for years being perfectly quiet and discriminating against nobody are now made into criminals by a perverse law. Yes be proud, celebrate. Gosh, think of all the tyrants who'd give you a medal for it.

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Message 603 of 752 (856596)
07-01-2019 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 602 by AZPaul3
07-01-2019 7:06 PM


Re: Christianity is not the same thing as Catholicism or Islam
I'm sorry if I'm wrong but it just seems like you are making totally irrational accusations out of the blue. Because Christians can't accept gay marriage? Is that where this starts? Can't accept gay marriage, can't accept abortion. That makes us targets of all this hayte?

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Faith
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Message 606 of 752 (856603)
07-01-2019 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 605 by AZPaul3
07-01-2019 7:28 PM


Re: Christianity is not the same thing as Catholicism or Islam
God defines marriage, not I. You have no right to make me accept a different definition or tell me it's because I hayte gays which is a lye. Funny how you're really the self-righteous one defining my standard beliefs as violating YOUR moral standards which have no authority whatever and seem to exist just to criminalize Christian beliefs.

A "public service" that requires me to accept a violation of God's law is evll.

Yes it is Christian rejection of gay marriage, and also abortion, that is what inspires all this hayte.

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Faith
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Message 608 of 752 (856607)
07-01-2019 8:40 PM
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07-01-2019 8:32 PM


Re: Christianity is not the same thing as Catholicism or Islam
Please wake up, this has been forced on us. We have been minding our own business and find ourselves criminalized for minding our own business and obeying God according to His definition. Are you just pretending not to get this? I have nothing against gays and never have. Why should I? They are sinners just like me. But this gay marriage thing was dropped on our heads out of the blue. And you don't get it?

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Message 610 of 752 (856617)
07-01-2019 9:19 PM
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07-01-2019 9:00 PM


Re: Christianity is not the same thing as Catholicism or Islam
So justice doesn't matter at all to you. So at least that got cleared up.

And you will apparently continue to believe the false history you seem to llke so much.

Yes as I've many times said we will obey God and take the unjust consequences.

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Faith
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Message 613 of 752 (856620)
07-01-2019 9:34 PM
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07-01-2019 9:28 PM


Re: Christianity is not the same thing as Catholicism or Islam
Quite the contrary. This society is so concerned with justice that we ignore the inhumane requirements of your christianity.
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What on earth are you talking about? The right to murder your child? WHAT?


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Message 615 of 752 (856622)
07-01-2019 9:46 PM
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07-01-2019 9:39 PM


Re: Christianity is not the same thing as Catholicism or Islam
OK, so your mind is absolutely gone, sad. Very sad. I'm sorry.

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Message 617 of 752 (856727)
07-02-2019 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 616 by jar
07-02-2019 10:22 AM


Re: The State, not God, defines marriage.
Faith writes:
God defines marriage, not I.

Bullshit Faith.
Marriage is a State created and controlled contract. A perfect example is that gay marriage is now lawful. It does not matter what you imagine otherwise, the reality is that marriage is a legal contract under government law which supersedes whatever you imagine God's Law might be.
Sorry Faith but that is reality while your position is pure *******.

Cept you don't get to tell us Bible believers how to define this, nor does the state or the Supreme Court. All the businesses that got sued independently understood how God defines marriage. and that is what they obeyed in refusing service to a same-sex wedding. Wedding cake businesses, flower arranger, photographer and even that poor clerk in the marriage license office, all knew God's mind on the subject. Bible believers obey God and your idea of what God said doesn't mean a thing. Why isn't that obvious?

And again, if the secular law opposes God, Bible believers will follow God and take the consequences. EvC is invited to the arena for the lion feast. A custom designed cake in the image of a lion on its hind legs with a Christian in its mouth will be served by Patriot Atheists Bakery afterward.

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Message 620 of 752 (856733)
07-02-2019 3:32 PM
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07-02-2019 3:30 PM


Re: The State, not God, defines marriage.
I guess you have to be a believer to "hear God in the Bible."
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Faith
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Message 622 of 752 (856736)
07-02-2019 3:41 PM
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07-02-2019 3:34 PM


Re: The State, not God, defines marriage.
Uh huh, well God Himself ordained that we hear Him only through His chosen human instruments, although He gave lots of other kinds of evidence at various times, that His chosen instruments have the job of conveying to us. I guess you'll just have to disbelieve it all then if there's no way to convince you. In any case it is believers who claim to hear from God through the Bible and that doesn't change because there are unbelievers who try to debunk it.
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