Some states protect women's rights

The "it" I'm talking about is this 39-week abortion.Does it really exist? I don't think so.I think it's a sham, a straw man, fabricated to inflame passions against woman's rights and abortion at any time.

Does this mean you cannot answer the question?

Is there such a thing as a 39-week abortion?

Oh that is just such a BS move.You want to be taken seriously in these corridors? Produce!You made a statement of fact in a very emotionally laden discussion.Nulius In Verba.Resources are not just required they are demanded.Produce or withdraw.

Good. You found a law in NY that allows late term abortion when the mother’s health is gravely affected. You found another in VA to further give such rights to women.Fact. All states allow late term abortions.Half of the states have no restrictions on abortion late term or any other time. As it should be. The other half restrict abortions after 20+- weeks to cases of medical need.You oppose this why?Now the next step in your emotional straw man.Show me the 39-week abortion. Show me why it was done. Show me a 39-week abortion contrary to medical necessity.Do you expect/require a woman to carry the fetus to her own death? Do you expect/require a woman to carry a fetus that is already dead? Does a woman need your permission or the permission of a bunch of religiously inspired old white republicans in the legislature before she can abort under these conditions?I see it as the essence of human dignity that we should be free in our own bodies. It is at the very core of how we will allow governments of law to treat human beings. A woman’s right, as anyone’s right for their own body, should be seen as absolute.If we cannot protect a woman’s rights in this most basic of moments then protections exist for no one. She must be allowed to decide in her own way free from the interference of government just as we all demand for our own bodies. The government has no right to any part of my body or anyone’s body. That concept needs to be set as a corner stone of modern law. And we set that precedent for all of us by acknowledging, in law and in court, a woman’s right to her own.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

That's what courts are for.

Except we're not talking the UK but a 39-week abortion outside of medical necessity here in the USofA. The UK health law recognizing sever fetal handicap as sufficient to request such a late termination is not the topic here.I suspect around these parts any such incident would have a justification that we all might look at and say, "Oh, Ok."You know they have to be out there. So let's see one.

Well, since it is a national health service, and bureaucracies being what they are, I can't imagine they wouldn't keep such records.Also, please realize, there has always been legally sanctioned abortion in the USofA in cases where the mother's health was threatened. Nothing different from today's laws. The legal struggle is with elective abortion.Abortion opponents, who want to return to the 1950s when illegal elective abortions caused the deaths of thousands of women and their babies through unsanitary procedures, are using the mental nightmare of 39-week abortions to inflame their passions.Fact is such abortions, with mom's health in danger, have *always* been allowed and performed.You want to inflame passions with 39-week abortion? Show me one that was elective, unnecessary, and allowed by law.Show me a 39-week abortion.

That is still a very small number of the abortions performed.From the CDC:

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Women in their twenties accounted for the majority of abortions in 2015 and throughout the period of analysis. The majority of abortions in 2015 took place early in gestation: 91.1% of abortions were performed at 13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (7.6%) were performed at 14-20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (1.3%) were performed at 21 weeks’ gestation. In 2015, 24.6% of all abortions were early medical abortions (a non-surgical abortion at 8 weeks’ gestation).

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CDCs Abortion Surveillance System

Do you really think these things are done in a vacuum?Do you know that at these later stages of gestation such procedures are only done with the approval of the hospital's ethics committee?There are sound medical reasons for these procedures. They are not out to kill just for the jollies of killing.

Correct. They are so much better than they used to be before such procedures were crafted and, these days, they actually take the woman's wishes into consideration.The reason I know all this is because a work mate of mine's wife was in an accident about 4 years ago. At some +22 weeks gestation the ethics committee deciding her case chose a riskier procedure in hopes of saving the kid when she asked them to keep the kid alive. Didn't work. Too premature. Kid was lost 2 days after.Your ideas on the ethics used is woefully naive and self-serving.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Yes, of course. Only a True Christian^TM can make ethical decisions.You christians really hate everything.

(emphisis mine)We managed to have all this and more despite your violent christian objections.And we can have all these things because we ignore you and your god now.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Fine. Obey.Then let the rest of us alone.

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