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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
AZP3 writes: I Love EvC! Christian hate apparently is wider spread than I thought. Is there anything human that you people don't hate? (I thinki we are human... *checks*Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
No. I don't acknowledge the possibility of "absolute" knowledge at all. I'm talking about objective knowledge.
... for either of us to say we "know" that God doesn't exist would mean absolute knowledge. GDR writes:
No, you don't. Stile's "knowledge" is based on an objective lack of evidence. Your belief is strictly subjective. Using Stile's apparent definition I am pleased to announce that I "know" God does exist....All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
GDR writes: If it is obvious then tell me. What is the non-intelligent process that began the evolutionary process? PaulK writes:
I asked a question to which you give no answer at all. This thread isn't about the morality of a deity but about whether God exists at all. You and others keep saying that there is objective evidence to support Stile's opening question. What is that objective evidence? The only way morality plays into this is that conscious intelligent creatures have resulted from the evolutionary process. Interesting that you should ask a question which doesn’t touch on the reasons why the points are obvious - and one I’ve already answered in this thread. But to explain why the points are obvious. Inventing positions for your opponents is less than honest and does nothing to refute their actual positions. Attributing human morality to a moral creator begs the question of where that creator got it’s morality from. Without any hint of an answer to that - indeed with the implicit rejection of other causes - a moral creator is the obvious answer. Thus you invite an infinite regress. Attributing human morality to causes that are not themselves moral obviously does not beg the question. The regress doesn’t even get started. I am merely saying that whether we choose an intelligent root cause for life as we know it or a non-intelligent root is entirely subjective and can be argued only on a subjective basis. You guys keep saying that there is objective evidence for Stile's claim. What is it?
PaulK writes: Please explain the leap from space time to conscious life to me. That is quite a breath-taking leap. As a matter of fact that kind of leap, subjectively speaking, sounds very god-like.
What you ask doesn’t matter. You can’t force me into believing an infinite regress just by asking questions. And I don’t even need to evade the questions the way you do. So, I’ll suggest this. The process that formed our universe is a consequence of the existence of space-time. Paulk writes: ..but what you quoted was my subjective position. I claim no objective evidence to support it. My view is simply that if God is outside of time and not subject to change the way we experience it, then the question of who what created God becomes moot. That isn’t what you said in Message 897:He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
ringo writes: What is the objective evidence for Stile's claim?
No. I don't acknowledge the possibility of "absolute" knowledge at all. I'm talking about objective knowledge. ringo writes: In that case I can claim that there is a God because there is an objective lack of evidence for non-intelligent origins to life or the evolutionary process. No, you don't. Stile's "knowledge" is based on an objective lack of evidence. Your belief is strictly subjective. AbE Happy Canada Day. Edited by GDR, : No reason given.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
AZPaul3 writes: That' is what fundamentalism can become.. It becomes about despising those who disagree with you which is completely at odds with Jesus' "love your enemy". Sure we hate the things some people do but we go still go on loving them. A good example of that in action was in the case of Dale Lang which I mentioned earlier in this thread, who was a guy who visited and counselled the young man who had murdered his son. Christian hate apparently is wider spread than I thought. Is there anything human that you people don't hate?He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Hyroglyphx writes:
You support “gay” rights, which makes you a cultural Marxist. In other words, you worship the Great False god of Equality. Btw, there is no equality between heterosexuality and bestiality.
Yes, I think gay people should be treated equally.
Never once voted for a Democrat ever in my life... I'm 42 years old.
Voting for Bernie Sanders is even worse than voting for the Democrats. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
I know, but thanks anyway.
You are pretty embarrassing yourself.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: I answered all the relevant questions and the other I had already answered in this thread.
quote: And I am offering a critique of your argument. Funny how you insist on irrelevancies while objecting to relevant points.
quote: I don’t. I’m just critiquing your argument.
quote: In reality you were attempting to argue that your position was more rational and I was pointing out that that was untrue.
quote: If I did, remind me of the post where I made that claim.
quote: And there is a lot of science to fill it, cosmology covers the origin of our universe and it’s early development, astronomy and related disciplines cover the formation of stars, galaxies and planets, abiogenesis covers the origin of life and evolution it’s subsequent development. Let us also note that this question is yet another diversion - and one that concedes my point. You claimed that my views entailed an infinite regress, yet you do not even attempt to show that.
quote: Which is yet another evasion into irrelevancy. A subjective answer is still an answer. An explanation is still an explanation even if it is a subjective belief. As for God, Phat says the believers are the evidence. What does your evasion and diversion and your refusal to engage in honest discussion tell us ?
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Hyproglyphx writes:
I wasn’t referring to government intrusion; I was referring to the anti-free-speech norms of political correctness that prevail on most online forum sites.
You and I may disagree with the content on a personal level, as I think I've been very quick to point out with Dredge, but if he is too afraid to speak his mind on account of government intrusion, espousing racist ideology
How do you define “racist ideology”?
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
In professional cyclist there’s a German (white) sprinter nicknamed “Gorilla”, on account of his powerful physique. No one bats an eyelid. But if someone called a negro, “Gorilla”, suddenly that’s a “hate crime” that will land you in court.
The term “white trash” is often used to refer to white people of low socio-economic standing. No one bats an eyelid. However, if anyone publicly referred to poor negroes as “black trash”, all hell would break loose and the offender would find himself in court charged with a “hate crime”.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
DrJones writes:
Tell that to all those atheists out there who believe humans descended from bacteria via a natural process of Darwinian evolution.
there is no darwinist belief system
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
But if someone called a negro, “Gorilla”, suddenly that’s a “hate crime” that will land you in court. However, if anyone publicly referred to poor negroes as “black trash”, all hell would break loose and the offender would find himself in court charged with a “hate crime” Got proof? I like the gorilla one. Show me the specifics on that one, especially the indictment.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
GDR writes:
Which fake, wannabe church do you belong to? Not the same one as that imposter, Desmond Tutu, I hope. Dredge writes:
This is simply another false idol that Jesus also spoke out strongly against. This is what happens to those who worship and make a false idol out of their church
Catholic can't believe what they like - they must accept all the doctrines and dogmas of the Church. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Stile writes:
Here’s how it works: Untrue.You don't get to say what I want or don't want. I do. And I do, actually, want God to exist. I think it would be great if the weak were protected, if (good) prayers were answered, if some benevolent, all-powerful being could provide a sense of security and peace. It's just that such things have been tested, and they've been identified to be equivalent to "nothing is there." If you want to believe in (a) God, you’ll find a way. If you don’t want to believe in (a) God, you’ll find a way.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
Sorry, that one went clear over my head. What are you talking about?
Right. You just pass judgement condemning to hell the whole of the human race all at once and before we're even born.
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