I Know That God Does Not Exist

Is this the same Jesus who likened certain people to “dogs” and “swine”; called some of his enemies a “ brood of vipers” and “blind fools”; and said to other enemies, “You are of your father the devil”?

a: non atheists accept the theory of evolution
2: still not a belief system

So does this quaint and romantic but unscientific idea of “equality” apply to E. coli, lions, slugs and geese too? Or is it just amongst human organisms that you imagine it exists?

In that case, we’ll have to add “survival of the equal-est” to “survival of the fittest” in evolutionary theory.Furthermore, you seem to think that the survival of humans is important, whereas according to your Darwinist belief-system, humans are no more important than any other species . and species and species come and go, according to the whims of Mother Nature.According to evolutionary science, the world doesn’t need humans (in fact, the planet might actually be healthier without them).

Why am I not surprised. They won't let you read that part cuz of the talking snake bit. Too scary for young minds.Now when you're 10 or 12, they'll hit you over the head with it along with big doses of guilt and misogyny.They'll get to you. Until then it's OK, Dredge, the rest of the forum understood.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

we were talking about the your claim of a darwinist belief system and here you go with the racism already, you sister fucking hillbillies just can't keep it hidden can you?

So you don't believe humans descended from bacteria via a process of Darwinian evolution? If not, what do you believe is responsible for the history of life on earth?

Believers have a different outlook on life than you do. "The rest of the forum" is hardly in consensus. That is why we have debates here. Note the commentary from Philip Yancey's book: Christians are not special. We all share the same human weaknesses..(sins, if you will) but Christians have a connection to the Creator of all seen and unseen, an idea scoffed at and ridiculed by secular humanist/atheists. And one noteworthy trait of Christians is their shared tendency to take their faith seriously and defend it often at great harm to personal reputation and expense. Yes, many Christians are fake and weak. Most of us, actually.The author further elaborates: I include these quotes if only to show that many of these beliefs are expressed through sojourners far more experienced than myself or Faith or Dredge, etc. You guys can feel free to vilify the whole lot of us, but I can assure you that it will prove to be a major error in discernment and judgment in your lives.

And I can assure you, Thug, that your fairy tales will have no effect on me now or anytime in the future. Of course not. I said nothing about any consensus.But you understood the reference didn't you.It wasn't at all subtle.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Apparently AZ was saying Christianity condemns everybody to Hell who doesn't believe. That's how a lot of people take it although theologically it's wrong: Christianity teaches that we're all sinners who are naturally set for Hell and Jesus came as Savior from it. Christianity didn't invent Hell, some version of a place of torment for the wicked after death exists, or existed, in most cultures long before Jesus came. I think I posted a picture I found of a Buddhist version of Hell with demonic beings wielding pitchforks as unhappy human beings try to get away from them, people depicted with Asian features by the way. Funny how that image is supposed to be Christian but isn't. Anyway Christianity has the only offer of salvation from all that.The idea of Hell is scary of course. I'd talked to my oldest grandson about God off and on when they visited about twice a year, though his parents aren't believers. They didn't seem to mind, and my son in law particularly liked hearing that one of the Ten Commandments is about honoring and obeying your parents and was perfectly happy to have that teaching get into my grandson's head because he was, well, a "difficult" child. "Strong willed" is the term they use. Very hard for a mild mannered well meaning parent to deal with.When he was really little he loved a book of Bible stories I got him, kept asking me to read it to him, learned who all the main characters are. But when he was about seven or eight he learned, not from me but at school of all things, that there is a Hell where people are punished and it upset him very much -- he really seemed to be aware that he was a sinner and would deserve Hell. I hadn't wanted to get into that subject but at least it gave me the opportunity to tell him that Jesus came to save him from Hell. I hope that got through but it's hard to know how a kid processes that kind of information. He's approaching the scary years of adolescence now and all I can do is pray for him. It's interesting that his best friend is from a Christian family although I have no idea if they discuss tnese things.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I certainly hope that you are right and that I am wrong. I believe that I am right but of course I could be wrong.

Do they even have hillbillies in Australia? I know you atheists get all bent out of shape when I label you all together, so why do you do it to Christians? #FoodForThought

Maybe. The percentages of Hillies like you are relatively uniform, it doesn't matter where you go. In Amcan the number of people like you can seem like lots and lots. In Aussie not really. But, then again, you are not an average Christian. You represent the equivalent of Isis in Christianity.Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

No.Irrational concept: A concept that is believed to exist without any evidence for the existence of the concept in the first place.We have evidence that microbes and black holes exist - do we not? We do have evidence of quantum mechanics - do we not?
How is this like the invisible Santa? - I am not aware of evidence for invisibile Santa - do you have some to share with us?Do we have evidence that the mathematical models hold true for other aspect of our universe? - I believe we do.
If we do not, if such a mathematical model is created by pure delight with no evidence at all linking it to our reality in any way - of course we should consider this irrational - why shouldn't we? If there is evidence to build them - then no.
If there is no evidence to build them - then yes. Great.
So pick one thing - any one thing - your best "I really know this is absolutely true" thing.
If I cannot find an idea to place the same amount of doubt on it that is placed on "well... what if this God-with-no-evidence-actually-exists?" places on knowing God does not exist... then I will concede your argument.If I can, however, find an idea to place that same amount of doubt on the example you pick as you "really does exist" concept - then will you concede that I am correct?I'll even give you a hint as to what I'm going to say:Tangle's best thing we know "I really know that XXXXX exists!."
Stile's response: "Tangle, have you been to everywhere and everywhen? Are you sure that at some where or some when we cannot find any information that might show us that XXXXX actually doesn't exist, and you were wrong to think that it did?"But please, go ahead and try... perhaps you actually do have a concept that is immune to such irrational doubting? Again, I agree.
The categorical difference is: One is rational, the other is irrational. Yes, it's the kind of belief that words have consistent meanings... words like "know." And that to retain such a consistent meaning - irrational concepts need to be rightfully ignored. By agreeing on definitions by looking at who's being rational and who's making up inconsistent irrationalities - just like you and I are doing.

I completely agree.
I even think that our irrational side can be more powerful than our rational side - for things like love and comedy and sometimes even motivation.But this doesn't change the fact that over the last few thousand years we've discovered that rational analysis provides us with progress in our knowledge about the truth of reality. And when we let irrational ideas effect such knowledge - it restrains progress and can even destroy it all together.