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Taq Member Posts: 10073 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Faith writes: Oh you mean not wanting illegals, noncitizens, to have the great privilege of voting in our elections? No. We mean legal citizens who find it is more and more difficult to vote because of rules Republicans pass. We are also talking about gerrymandering which has nothing to do with illegals voting.
Let's invite the entire Arab/Muslim world to vote in our elections while we're at it. And all the Chinese too. Are you saying that citizens who are Arab, Muslims, and Chinese should not be allowed to vote? That seems consistent with Republican ideology given how hard they have tried to prevent minority Americans from voting. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Faith writes: To a nonracist nontroll such as I am this is akin to being stabbed in the heart, I mean I literally feel it in my heart to be talked about in such a way. Oh, please. When you talk about illegals who shouldn't vote you focus on minorities, be it Arabs, Chinese, or Hispanics and equate whole races with being illegals. Republican strategies of voter suppression have always focused on minority citizens. They reduce the number of polling places in minority neighborhoods and require ID laws that are burdensome on minority populations. A substantial proportion of Republican voters use absentee balloting which is the most susceptible to voter fraud, yet they don't pass any laws making absentee voting harder. In fact, GOP operatives set up operations that illegally take absentee ballots from people and change their votes as seen in the last election. You aren't worried about illegals voting. You are worried about minorities voting. It's extremely obvious.
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Faith writes: Of course it suits the Llft to give it a snarky interpretation but it would be good to know what the real reason is. There are often objections to phrasing or the existence of other legislation that do something similar or didn't work or whatnot, or other incidentals that you aren't mentioning. If Republicans wanted to pass these bills they could work out the semantics in conference and bring a bipartisan bill to the floor. We all know this won't happen. The most likely explanation for why this won't happen is that it would force Trump to acknowledge that Russia interfered in the last election to begin with, something Trump has been loath to admit.
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Faith writes: Yes, so you've said. Which raises the question why Mueller told Barr that didn't figure in his judgments in the report, and the other question based on his recent statement that it was THE reason he didn't pursue anything about crimes by Trump, WHY ON EARTH THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION AT ALL SINCE INVESTIGATING THE CLAIM OF CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR IS SUPPOSEDLY THE WHOLE POINT OF SUCH AN INVESTIGATION. Were you around for the Bill Clinton years? Ken Starr didn't indict Bill Clinton, but he was impeached. The point of these investigations is to FIND THE FACTS. It is then up to Congress to decide to impeach.
With all the innuendo, however, insinuating criminality where he'd found none, he could possibly fuel an impeachment. But that is not the point of such an investigation. That was exactly the point.
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Faith writes: The woman in London who stabbed the baby Trump blimp and then announced that Trump is the best President we've ever had. "There's a sucker born every minute."--PT Barnum (traditional)
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Faith writes: If there's one thing Trump does well it's negotiating. Where's the China trade deal? Where's the new Iran treaty? Where's the deal between Israel and Palenstine? Where's the deal with Democrats for a border wall? I could go on and on and on.
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Faith writes: It's the Democratic House that's the roadblock to good government, which is a gross understatement. The Republicans used the fillibuster a record number of times during the Obama administration. Republicans need to look in the mirror.
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Faith writes: I know of course that nobody here will accept that today's **** has anything in common with Stalinism but I might as well make another effort to get the point across even knowing it will be trashed. It matters hugely, it represents the destruction of America if it isn't stopped. I think I am liking JonF's assessment of American politics: Republicans oppose Democrats because of what Republicans say Democrats do.Democrats oppose Republicans because of what Republicans do. Faith's posts are a perfect example of this in action. Democrats simply want to regulate capitalism. That isn't Stalinism. Democrats want a single payer healthcare system like tons of other first world countries that aren't communist. That's called Stalinism. Democrats want companies to stop polluting. Stalinism? Apparently. Democrats want to protect workers from the dark side of capitalism while still supporting capitalism. That's not Stalinism. If Republicans proposed the same policies as Democrats do, I bet the right wing would lap it up.
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JonF writes: The individual provisions of the ACA were always far more popular than "Obamacare" in the polls. Not to mention that a very similar bill was proposed by Republicans in the not so distant past. The ACA was a compromise between the Democratic and Republican ideologies where private health insurance was preserved and subsidized by tax dollars. The only real reason Republicans opposed it is because they didn't want Obama to succeed.
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Chiroptera writes: And many Democrats would be happy with a beefed up version of Obamacare - maybe with a public option - which leaves the insurance companies involved. Some non-communist countries have a system like this; I believe the Netherlands is an example. And this is even more not communist! Private insurance is already a part of the Medicare system. Medicare covers 80% of the cost, and if my understanding is correct there are a few loopholes for some coverage. People can elect to get private supplemental insurance that covers what Medicare does not. This is very similar to systems in other countries, and it works well.
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Faith writes:
Right, your opinion is far more important than the article about the book that I linked, which aims to show that today's **** IS llke the Communism of the thirties.
So how is it like the Communism of the Thirties?
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Faith writes: I don't want to "talk" anyone out of any of that, the whole point of posting the article was so its reasoning could be considered. What we are trying to say is that there is a lack of reasoning. Just calling something "Communist" does not make it wrong, or even communist. What we are asking you to do is look at what Democrats actually propose, not what right wing radio hosts think they propose. For example, what do you find wrong with Medicare For All? Do you think we shouldn't have a single payer system? If so, why?
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Faith writes: Heavens, I KNOW what Democrats propose and it is scary. Like what?
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Faith writes: Gosh those horrifying conditions at the border. Created by the overwhelming invasion of illegals which the existing facilities can't handle cuz the money wasn't appropriated to handle them. It wasn't a problem before the Trump administration, even when there were more crossings than there is now. The funding wasn't any different. The difference is the policy which requires incarceration.
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Faith writes: What's happening in the country today is that the Left, the Democrats, the Liberals, have gone insane. They are as far left as it's possible to be without bringing on the Communist Revolution (it's coming though unless God has mercy on us), Pick any European non-communist, democratic country and I can just about guarantee that Democrats in the US are well right of those politicians.
and thety have spent almost three years trying to undermine Trump with outrageous lies, and he's been doing a surprisingly good job in spite of it on at least some of his goals, and I absolutely refuse to believe anything more from the Left. Where's that Republican health care plan that was supposed to cover all Americans? I haven't even seen a single plan that covers all Americans even proposed by Republicans or Trump.
abe: what I found was more than one report, it was a Google page of articles on how Trump was getting blamed for what Obama did, in reaction to what Biden had said in the debate the previous night about how Obama never put kids in cages. It was Obama's administration that invented the "cages" and it's the Left, by the way, that uses that term for the chain-link fences, because it serves their endless attack on Trump. Then why did Trump have to change Obama-era policies in order to have the number of children currently in custody? During the Obama era, children were kept with their families whenever possible, and that policy was changed under Trump which has resulted in thousands of kids being taken from their parents and thrown in detention centers. The fact you have to lie about this tells us a lot.
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