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ringo
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Message 261 of 286 (856711)
07-02-2019 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 228 by Sarah Bellum
07-01-2019 11:52 AM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Sarah Bellum writes:
The article says, "In a widely-publicized interview with The New York Times in 1997, Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, estimated that in the majority of cases, the procedure is performed on a healthy mother and healthy fetus that is 20 weeks or more along in development."
Why does this have to be like pulling teeth? We were talking about partial birth abortions. 20 weeks is nowhere near birth.
I'll get out the vise-grips and try one more time: Is there such a thing as an abortion of a healthy fetus at 39 weeks? That's the only question you're being asked here.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 262 of 286 (856712)
07-02-2019 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by Faith
07-01-2019 7:26 PM


Re: Law, Bill promoting late term abortions
Faith writes:
And you don't get to tell me my beliefs are nonsensical, unscriptural, unchristlike and unbiblical.
Yes I do.
Just like you get to tell me I'm an evil leftist liar. But I can show the lurkers that I am not an evil leftist liar.
You could hypothetically show the lurkers that your beliefs are not nonsensical, unscriptural, unchristlike and unbiblical - if they weren't. But they are.
Faith writes:
Sorry, they are what Christians act on and get punished for by this law that requires us to accept gay marriage.
No law forces you to accept gay marriage. The law prescribes what happens if you don't behave in a socially-responsible way.
Your beliefs are entirely your own, no matter how stupid they are, Nobody can force you to accept reality or to be a decent human being. But we will sanction you if you act badly.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 263 of 286 (856713)
07-02-2019 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 251 by Faith
07-01-2019 7:34 PM


Re: Law, Bill promoting late term abortions
Faith writes:
God ordained marriage as the union between male and female as one flesh.
No He didn't. You have never been able to back up that claim scripturally.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 264 of 286 (856714)
07-02-2019 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 257 by Sarah Bellum
07-01-2019 10:48 PM


Re: Is the fetus a human being? Is it a living creature that we allow you to kill?
Sarah Bellum writes:
... although public support for legal abortion is quite high, substantial numbers think favorably of partial-birth abortion bans, so in thinking such laws are "dictatorial" there are many who disagree with you.
So what?
Sarah Bellum writes:
You might disagree with whether or not such laws should be passed (I personally think they should not be), but calling them "dictatorial" and comparing them to forcing "somebody to carry around an unwanted (and potentially dangerous) body part" is clearly abuse of language.
Nonsense. I oppose anti-abortion laws because they're dictatorial. Power over a person's body is about as total as it can get, so I definitely stand by the word "dictatorial".

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 267 of 286 (856785)
07-02-2019 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by Sarah Bellum
07-02-2019 4:56 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
What part of "healthy" do you not understand? I keep asking for an example of a god damn healthy fetus being aborted at 39 weeks and you keep posting the same thing over and over again about a severely disabled fetus.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 268 of 286 (856786)
07-02-2019 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by Sarah Bellum
07-02-2019 4:57 PM


Re: Is the fetus a human being? Is it a living creature that we allow you to kill?
Sarah Bellum writes:
Yes, we're all aware that you stand by your story.
And "we all" seem to understand the meaning of "dictatorial" - except you.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 272 of 286 (856843)
07-03-2019 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Sarah Bellum
07-02-2019 10:36 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Sarah Bellum writes:
"One doctor reported that on some occasions a wrong diagnosis had been given and the dead foetus was found to have no disability"
So mistakes are made. Are you going to ban heart surgery because it doesn't always work?
It's becoming pretty obvious that "partial-birth abortion" is a lie.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 273 of 286 (856844)
07-03-2019 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by Sarah Bellum
07-02-2019 10:37 PM


Re: Is the fetus a human being? Is it a living creature that we allow you to kill?
Sarah Bellum writes:
Like I said, you're standing by your story.
And like I said, nobody but you is objecting to my story. I can assure you that there are plenty of people around here who wouldn't hesitate to point it out if I was wrong.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 274 of 286 (856845)
07-03-2019 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by vimesey
07-03-2019 6:17 AM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
vimesey writes:
Can we please be very careful with the term “healthy”, when it is applied in relation to disability.
If you can suggest a better word, I'll be glad to use it.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 278 of 286 (856852)
07-03-2019 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Sarah Bellum
07-03-2019 12:28 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
Sarah Bellum writes:
I'll take that as an acknowledgement that your question has been answered.
Yes, your inability to provide examples of partial-birth abortions has always been an answer to the question. It's not as conclusive as you openly admitting that it's a lie, but it will do.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 279 of 286 (856853)
07-03-2019 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Sarah Bellum
07-03-2019 12:32 PM


Re: Is the fetus a human being? Is it a living creature that we allow you to kill?
Sarah Bellum writes:
Since you have agreed that substantial numbers of people agree that restrictions on late-term abortions are reasonable, your statement "nobody but you" about your use of the word "dictatorial" is incorrect.
That doesn't follow at all. If millions of people agree that the trains should run on time, that doesn't mean Mussolini was not a dictator.
But you're dishonest as well as wrong. I was refering to people HERE on EvC not objecting to my use of the word "dictatorial".
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 280 of 286 (856854)
07-03-2019 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by vimesey
07-03-2019 12:36 PM


Re: Partial birth abortion is not an accurate term
vimesey writes:
With additional or special needs is fine.
So we're talking about a fetus with special needs?

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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