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Author Topic:   A test for claimed knowledge of how macroevolution occurs
JonF
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Message 457 of 785 (855908)
06-24-2019 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 442 by Faith
06-24-2019 2:34 PM


And casinos lose big bucks all the time. Oh, wait...

Random events create recognizable patterns all the time. Common descent must produce a nested hierarchy no matter what causes the changes.


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Message 470 of 785 (855929)
06-24-2019 7:08 PM
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06-24-2019 6:56 PM


Re: deep ancestry?
Far too much agreeing data and agreeing methods for it to be an illusion. 2.3 million species fitting the hierarchy. Two separate methods for constructing the hierarchy that agree just short of perfectly.

You'll never look at the data, and if you did your unshakable anti-reality filter would prevent understanding.


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Message 483 of 785 (855973)
06-25-2019 10:08 AM
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06-24-2019 7:53 PM


Re: deep ancestry?
What's been posted so far is explanations of what a nested hierarchy is, and I'm far from convinced you understand that.

THe data and how it's processed is far more that is realistic to explain in this medium and is widely scattered. Since you won't read black-on-white web pages, I don't know how to present it. Maybe others can think of a way.


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Message 490 of 785 (855996)
06-25-2019 2:32 PM
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06-25-2019 1:30 PM


She's saying that the nested hierarchy can't be created by mutations. So stupifyingly wrong that it's difficult to address.

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Message 506 of 785 (856040)
06-25-2019 7:14 PM
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06-25-2019 5:31 PM


Re: The genetic loss idée fixe vs reality
"It's obvious" is not used in science. Too often it means (as it does here) the speaker has no evidence.

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Message 639 of 785 (856688)
07-02-2019 9:41 AM
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07-01-2019 6:01 PM


Re: The genetic loss idée fixe vs reality
Yeah, Faith, mutations can't go outside the genome. Why do you think they would have to to change a human genome into a chimp genome or vice versa?

You don't even know what 'the genome" is.


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Message 640 of 785 (856690)
07-02-2019 9:42 AM
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07-02-2019 4:43 AM


Re: The genetic loss idée fixe vs reality
I'm OK with varieties or subspecies but as I said one often hears such populations referred to as species.

List six examples.

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Message 643 of 785 (856742)
07-02-2019 4:15 PM
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07-02-2019 1:05 PM


Re: The genetic loss idée fixe vs reality
She doesn't understand that "outside the genome" is as meaningless as "red" being outside of "all colors".

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Message 654 of 785 (856825)
07-03-2019 9:56 AM
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07-02-2019 11:38 PM


Re: The genetic loss idée fixe vs reality
"Outside the genome" is a meaningless phrase.

Your hallucination of something undetected that prevents the changes we see is ludicrous.


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Message 655 of 785 (856826)
07-03-2019 10:00 AM
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07-03-2019 12:26 AM


Re: The genetic loss idée fixe vs reality
The meanders developed on the flat surface that remained after the scouring of the retreating Flood waters, as did the Colorado River.

I.e. the retreating fludde waters didn't carve the canyon, the left a flat surface on which the Colorado carved the canyon that it didn't carve.

Wow.


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Message 657 of 785 (856828)
07-03-2019 10:24 AM
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07-03-2019 10:04 AM


Re: The genetic loss idée fixe vs reality
When you contradict yourself within a short time you're going to get called on it.

The point of producing evidence would be to support your hallucination. Without evidence you have nothing.

Of course you have no evidence or understanding of the forces involved.


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Message 662 of 785 (856836)
07-03-2019 11:14 AM
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07-03-2019 10:31 AM


Re: The genetic loss idée fixe vs reality
Yeah, you're perfect and inerrant.

But you still have no evidence, just opium dreams.


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Message 669 of 785 (856890)
07-03-2019 9:26 PM
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07-03-2019 7:00 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
You have no understanding of geology, physics, chemistry, astronomy, hydrology... at all.

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Message 686 of 785 (856935)
07-04-2019 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 670 by Faith
07-03-2019 9:35 PM


Re: Creationist mindset
We've pointed out your ignorance with examples many times. My favorite is the idea that entire inconceivably heavy and extremely brittle rock formations could be picked up and carried and deposited whole.

Lifting would require an upward force exerted from below (or else the bottom would crack off) and almost perfectly even and simultaneous force (else the bending moment between unequal forces would crack the formation in two or more).

A crude analogy: bake a huge and unusually thin sheet cake. Invert the pan so the cake is on the counter. Leave it there until it's totally stale.

Now, with your hands only, lift it off the counter in one piece.


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Message 687 of 785 (856936)
07-04-2019 10:25 AM
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07-03-2019 11:15 PM


Re: Flood stuff
Besides cutting those formations, the draining action scoured off plateaus such as at the Permian (Kaibab) level in the Grand Canyon area, across which the last streams of water ran and formed meanders and became rivers some of which still exist.

The meanders extend from top to bottpm. Therefore whatever created the meanders also created the canyon. According to you, that's the river.

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