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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8
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I still say that nobody could possibly be as utterly clueless and unaware as Faith pretends to be. She's putting on an act like a typical creationist troll. And I still maintain that she does not worship the Christian God but rather an evil god whom she serves through lies. Given her pretend theological bend, I would identify her god as the Lord of Lies, the Prince of Darkness. All the evidence points in that direction. And I still ask that somebody explain to her those extremely simple facts that she willfully refuses to understand. Edited by dwise1, : added to whom it may concern
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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would you tell us if you've ever had a similar kind of experience, a vision or a voice or the ilke? Though as a youth I was exposed to batshit crazy religious people I was fortunate to avoid the cerebral contamination BCRPS describes. There were a number of times when I felt overwhelming body-wrenching out-of-mind episodes, complete with visions and voices, but these don’t fit the syndrome as they were in the midst of powerful orgasms.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Son Goku Inactive Member
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I wasn't thinking of any experimental data on the positions of atoms
It's not about experimental data. Atoms don't have actual positions regardless of experiments.
I was merely thinking of the similar question, "Is the universe just a simulation?" and removing the simulator, leaving a pure number
The answer would appear to be no. The state of the universe cannot be represented as a number according to modern quantum theory.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Lucky you.
But it doesn't have to be either/or (well, maybe the way YOU thlnk about it, it does.) Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Again, laymen are dangerous.
Atoms don't have actual positions regardless of experiments. Isn't this where the measurement problem comes in? Collapse of the wave function to a single spike? Is this not the actual (+- Heisenberg) location?Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
But it doesn't have to be either/or (well, maybe the way YOU ***** about it, it does.) Confusion. What "it" are we talking about?Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The two different sources of visionary experiences. The spiritual and the sexual. Yes I know you were being mocking as usual.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Fair enough, lets go back and review the exchange. I am going to take this response over to General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List'). Meet me there. Message 1029
Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given. Edited by Admin, : Replace text for thread and message with links.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
AZPaul3 writes: Are you thus claiming that every "religious" or spiritual believing person who claims to have allowed the Spirit of the Living God into them is thus delusional and crazy? Science is not limited by *any* phenomenon humans can experience. We can science anything. Batshit Crazy Religious Person Syndrome is just another example. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Of course he is. He despises religion.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Are you thus claiming that every "religious" or spiritual believing person who claims to have allowed the Spirit of the Living God into them is thus delusional and crazy? No, rather asking "How do you know and what is the evidence to support your claim? What is the 'Spirit of the Living God' and what is the test for its presence?"
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
Sarah Bellum writes: I don't think so. My basic understanding is that our universe is a holographic projection of a lower dimensional reailty. That is quite probably away off base. Is the holographic theory anything like the hypothesis that our universe is just "a program on someone else’s hard drive"? Here is the wiki site on it which goes into detail that is over my head.Cheers Holographic Principle He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
Son Goku writes:
Thank you so much for your reply. I have read it several times to try and understand the concepts. Could you go into a little more detail of what would constitute a "reasoning agent". Also what would be left if there no "reasoning agent" in the universe? And one more: what would constitute a reasoning agent other than a conscious entity or a measurement by a conscious entity? So there is an assumption of some kind of "reasoning agent" who changes their expectations because of what they've learned, but it's not invoking some mysterious power of consciousness. It's unlike classical theories which are written as a description of the world and don't assume the presence of an agent. However this agent is present for the same reason it is in gambling theory: parts of the mathematics represent what they've learned.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
Son Goku writes: Well I think without a doubt that there is strong evidence against the existence of most deities commonly believed in. So although one could still support a general Platonic "lives outside time" god with a reasonable argument, I think the case against specific gods is simply too strong and so I would say I know Yahweh, Zeus, e.t.c. do not exist.For Yahweh for instance, his personality is typical of the gods of Semite cultures of the period, he literally uses stock phrases that occur among other Semite gods such as the Babylonian gods. e.g. "Was it not I who X,Y...." His opinions and values reflect those of a Bronze age Semite culture. He is described as taking part in events which we know did not occur historically or performed feats for which there is explicit evidence they did not occur (stopping the Sun). Ultimately the case that he exists is no stronger than the case for Enlil. I would say I know all specific gods worshipped by any culture do not exist. The existence of an abstract creator God is a more difficult question, but I find that people often defend the existence of the abstract God in arguments, while personally believing in one of the specific human ones. I found this post very interesting and I do take issue with it in one sense. I’d like to quote this part of your post again. quote:As a Christian I do believe in Yahweh, but I am also completely in agreement with your statements. I don’t believe in any of those things that you mentioned either. There are the even more obvious cases that I don’t believe in either, such Yahweh ordering or committing genocide, ordering public stoning etc. I also agree that much of how Yahweh is represented in the Bible is the result of other local cultures and religions in the area. Also, so much of what is in the OT is about trying to control God as opposed to serving Him in order to make this world a better place for all, as we get from Jesus in the NT. If to be a Christian meant understanding the Bible to be inerrant, then I could no longer be a Christian. The Bible is full of contradictions including small variations in time and in major ways in terms of ethics. However, even within the OT there are also threads of a loving God who would abhor much of what is written about Him in the OT. I have read the Quran, the Book of Buddha and you can find the same situation there as well. My point is that if you take religious texts and treat them as divinely written then none of the world’s religions hold up.For myself I see the Bible as being the progressive understanding of mankind concerning the nature of God and how that should impact our lives. This isn’t about trying to convert you to anything but just to point out that it isn’t just about holy books and what they say in a literal sense. Religions are all created by humans trying to understand the nature of God. Unfortunately it is too often about how we can connect with some god so that we can get him/her/it to do whatever it is we want from him/her/it. The point should be that we worship in order to give thanks for life and offer our lives up to serving this deity. In the Christian case it is all about loving all of God’s creation. Christianity is really simple until you get into the theology of it. He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Requiring sufficient amounts of objective evidence to justify a conclusion is a bad failing of mine.
Are you thus claiming that every "religious" or spiritual believing person who claims to have allowed the Spirit of the Living God into them is thus delusional and crazy? When someone walks in here with all the power of the internet behind them and spouts off nonsense about invisible beings with tremendous power that ultimately cannot be shown? Yah.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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