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Message 3015 of 4573 (857352)
07-07-2019 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 3014 by Sarah Bellum
07-07-2019 11:04 PM


Re: Can't keep that trap shut.
Foreign born does not mean non-citizen.
History repeats itself as tragedy, then as farce...
Slavery and immigrants are not equivalent. I am not sure I understand the point you are trying to make. Our constitution does not restrict representation and counting towards representation to just people able to vote. Do you think it should?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 3025 of 4573 (857457)
07-08-2019 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 3017 by Sarah Bellum
07-08-2019 9:02 AM


Re: Can't keep that trap shut.
Not sure what you are arguing or what your original point was. Are you suggesting letting non-citizens vote? Are you for counting them for the census or not?
It's almost as if the US had invaded Mexico and taken Sonora as a colony, restricting the voting rights of the inhabitants there who were descended from immigrants from Spain.
Nothing in the current situation would be analogous to theat scenario.
Or the issue of "territories" and "possessions"
As a Boricua , I am very familiar with how the US colonies are treated.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 3030 of 4573 (857475)
07-08-2019 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 3027 by Sarah Bellum
07-08-2019 4:24 PM


Re: Can't keep that trap shut.
I still have no idea what you are trying to say. Can you just tell us what you are saying is a problem?
Your comments are getting even more incoherent. Of course there will be people that live in a place where they can not vote. WTF does that have to do with your census comments?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 3034 of 4573 (857558)
07-09-2019 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 3033 by Sarah Bellum
07-09-2019 11:54 AM


Re: Representation of immigrants
We realize that those were quotes from Census Bureau FAQs. The question is, what was the point of that post? Why did you post those FAQ's? No one can discern the point you were trying to make.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 3036 of 4573 (857564)
07-09-2019 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 3035 by Sarah Bellum
07-09-2019 12:30 PM


Re: Representation of immigrants
Facts about what? Those FAQs had nothing to do with ay conversation going on. They were only relevant if you were attempting to make a point, but it seems all you were trying to do was mussy the waters.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 3038 of 4573 (857595)
07-09-2019 1:55 PM
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07-09-2019 12:37 PM


Re: Representation of immigrants
Wow!
I have no idea what that was all about.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 3083 of 4573 (858394)
07-20-2019 7:04 AM
Reply to: Message 3081 by marc9000
07-19-2019 11:05 PM


Russia is not communist. The symbol was not meant to represent the USSR, which does not exist anymore. Thus, could not be supporting donnie. It is to represent Putin and Russia.
These things really are not that hard to figure out.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 3163 of 4573 (859248)
07-30-2019 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 3087 by marc9000
07-21-2019 5:37 PM


Sorry, I was away for a bit and just realized that this post was out there.
I'm not seeing your claim in any definitions of that emblem. Do you have any sources that say the emblem's meaning is changeable over time?
Actually the symbol is still used in Russia today. The Russian national airline Aeroflot continues to use the emblem. Also it is on the flag of several federal districts in Russia. So yes the Hammer and Sickle are still associated with Russia. It is no longer an exclusively communist symbol.
quote:
Two federal subjects of the post-Soviet Russian Federation use the hammer and sickle in their symbols: the Vladimir Oblast has them on its flag and the Bryansk Oblast has them on its flag and coat of arms, which is also the central element of its flag. In addition, the Russian city of Oryol also uses the hammer and sickle on its flag.
The former Soviet (now Russian) national airline, Aeroflot, continues to use the hammer and sickle in its symbol.
The hammer and sickle can be found as a logo on most ushanka hats, usually the Soviet-styled ones
Hammer and sickle - Wikipedia
I bolded some of that as you seem to read selectively..
So it looks like you cherry picked the info from Wiki, as I used the same exact source and it showed you are wrong. Were you trying to be deceptive? Or is it just plain dishonesty?
I see the rest of your post has been thoroughly destroyed by others. I just wanted to clearly show others how dishonest a debater you are.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 3164 of 4573 (859249)
07-30-2019 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 3102 by marc9000
07-22-2019 10:34 PM


I agree, yet I was the only one to point out the glaring error in Message 3064
As shown above. There is no glaring error. In the attempt to point one out you cherry picked data.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 3208 of 4573 (861067)
08-16-2019 4:08 PM


Workers forced to attend a political rally
Looks like some workers are being coerced into attending donnie's speeches.
Welcome to the USA.
quote:
The choice for thousands of union workers at Royal Dutch Shell’s petrochemical plant in Beaver County was to either spend Tuesday standing in a giant hall waiting for President Donald Trump to speak, or to take the day off with no pay.
Your attendance is not mandatory, read the rules that Shell sent to union leaders a day ahead of the visit to the $6 billion construction site. But only those that showed up at 7 a.m., scanned their cards, and prepared to stand for hours through lunch but without lunch would be paid.
NO SCAN, NO PAY, the rules said.
https://www.postgazette.com/...overtime/stories/201908160113

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

  
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Message 3228 of 4573 (861507)
08-22-2019 12:48 PM


Robert Reich illustrates where tax dollars actually go and shows the lies the GOPers tell in order to justify cutting social programs in order to give out more tax cuts to the rich.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Message 3266 of 4573 (861917)
08-29-2019 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 3265 by Trump won
08-28-2019 11:10 PM


What President was openly hostile to Christianity?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 3318 of 4573 (863398)
09-25-2019 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 3306 by Taq
09-24-2019 4:21 PM


Re: Here we go !
disagree. Abdicating their constitutional responsibility is more likely political suicide. The impeachment will expose donnie and his GOP enablers.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Theodoric
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Message 3319 of 4573 (863399)
09-25-2019 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 3317 by JonF
09-25-2019 12:34 PM


Re: It's even more damning than expected
Seems it is not an actual transcript.
Three Things: One Is Not a Transcript - emptywheel

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 3339 of 4573 (863559)
09-27-2019 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 3338 by Chiroptera
09-27-2019 10:54 AM


Re: The whistleblower's complaint
There will be a myriad of state charges that are unpardonable. Trump's only option would to declare himself President for Life. At this moment this is not something we should think he is incapable of trying.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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