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Faith 
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Message 101 of 2370 (857486)
07-08-2019 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by edge
07-08-2019 5:49 PM


You are amazingly blind to the shakiness of your own "evidence" for the standard interpretation of the geologic column, and to your own denial of the absolute absrdity of it, the tying of time periods of millions of years to a peculiarly discreet collection of dead things buried in a peculiarly straight and flat and often homogeneous sedimentary slab of rock.
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Message 102 of 2370 (857488)
07-08-2019 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Sarah Bellum
07-08-2019 5:29 PM


Uh huh. OK. If you say so. but I've seen floods too, and I posted a few of them that caused mudslides that buried cars and houses in only one place, and if the same thing is happening next to it on both sides and next to those on both sides and millions of them around the world all at the same time and the rain just keeps coming down and doesn't stop for weeks, bringing down the mud and the rocks and the dead things, and the sea is rising to meet it all and keeps on rising until there's no land visible, that's not just a widdle flood magnified.
And imagining the Flood is not something anybody does well, even scientists. They do weird things like impute it to a single layer of the geologic column, they don't seem to have a feeling for the reality of what forty days and nights of steady rain on every square inch of the planet would do, and they had some pretty weird ideas about fossils too. Leonardo did get that much right, but it didn't occur to him that the mountains had to rise with their cargo of shells to make sense out of the facts. And perhaps their rising had smething to do with a tectonic event that caused the sea floors to sink to receive the draining water which he couldn't envision. He was imagining, I'm imagining, all the scientists are imagining, that's all that can be sone with this arena of science. Of course the experts are right and I'm wrong and all the YECs are wrong just because there are more of Them than there are of us and they have training most of us don't have but still Wegener had it right and the rest of them had it wrong. There are lots of events like that in the scientific world. You never know if some visionary idyut is going to come along and change everything.
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Faith 
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Message 104 of 2370 (857490)
07-08-2019 6:24 PM
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07-08-2019 6:19 PM


If you can't see why it's absrd I can't explain it to you.
The Flood explains sedimentary layers better.
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Faith 
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Message 107 of 2370 (857493)
07-08-2019 6:29 PM
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07-08-2019 6:25 PM


That's a nice technique you have going there, don't think about anything, just question the opponent. I'm not biting. If you have answers give them, if you don't so be it.
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Faith 
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Message 109 of 2370 (857495)
07-08-2019 6:30 PM
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07-08-2019 6:28 PM


You don't hav to waste your time, just ignore me.

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Message 110 of 2370 (857496)
07-08-2019 6:31 PM
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07-08-2019 6:30 PM


Gosh another cute zinger.

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Message 112 of 2370 (857498)
07-08-2019 6:37 PM
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07-08-2019 6:33 PM


Assume what you like. Your contribution is nothing to brag about.
Aw you feel insulted. Aw.
But it's OK if I feel insulted, blasted, hayted, demeaned and psychologically murdered. Why? Because I'm *wrong* and thlnk you are wrong.
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Faith 
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Message 117 of 2370 (857507)
07-08-2019 8:20 PM
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07-08-2019 8:03 PM


Re: Oceanic crust
Kilometers a day? Has anyone actually said that? IIRC I came up with twenty feet per day. Ten feet on either side of the Atlantic ridge per day. Is that too prodigious a rate for the formation of crust?
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Message 119 of 2370 (857509)
07-08-2019 8:23 PM
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07-08-2019 8:21 PM


Oh we do share general views about many things. Grand Canyon is one. Though yes I go off on my own contemplations abeyond that.

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Faith 
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Message 121 of 2370 (857512)
07-08-2019 8:43 PM
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07-08-2019 8:39 PM


Fortunately I never said any of that.
By the way you might inform anglagard that I'm forbidden to post on the Trump Byashing thread.
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Faith 
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Message 124 of 2370 (857516)
07-08-2019 9:08 PM
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07-08-2019 9:05 PM


You misrepresent what I said because apparently you misunderstood it.

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Message 126 of 2370 (857518)
07-08-2019 9:09 PM
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07-08-2019 9:07 PM


Re: The Flood MUST show a hole in EVERY target or it never happened.
To quote Our Intrepid Admin, "Oh posh."

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Message 128 of 2370 (857526)
07-08-2019 10:52 PM
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07-08-2019 7:25 PM


Abswrdity is sort of an intuitive thing but I'll have to work on this later.

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Faith 
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Message 129 of 2370 (857527)
07-08-2019 11:07 PM
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07-08-2019 9:50 PM


Re: Oceanic crust
The average as I recall was closer to 11 feet per day, and it was 4300 years instead of 6000 years. And it makes a difference to thlnk in terms of gradual decrease in speed from twenty feet per day down the present speed.
Earthquake hhot spots don't stay in the same place. There would have been a lot of volcanic activity around the Atlantic when continental drift first started so there would have been a great number of earthquakes there, which are now dead according to Google maps of a few years ago. Now they are more active around the Pacific rim. Just because the Middle East is an earthquake hhot spot now doesn't mean it was in Noah's time.
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Faith 
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Message 131 of 2370 (857531)
07-09-2019 12:39 AM
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07-09-2019 12:21 AM


No I don't expect my speculations to be "accepted as fact," I would like them to be considered as interesting ways of looking at a problem. And I'd rather not be raked over the coals for it.

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