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Chiroptera
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Message 3031 of 3062 (857482)
07-08-2019 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 3026 by Sarah Bellum
07-08-2019 4:19 PM


Re: Representation of immigrants
I didn't say anything about the constitutional requirement that the US census must count all persons.

The topic under discussion was about the census, and you even mentioned the census in your first post to this thread: Message 3010

It wasn't very clear that you were actually moving onto a different topic.

It's still not clear what you think the important issues are and why they're important.


It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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anglagard
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Message 3032 of 3062 (857506)
07-08-2019 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Faith
01-08-2017 2:55 PM


Of fools and liars
Faith writes:

Certainly. Nations must be ruled by Law. Jesus came to fulfill the Law on behalf of those who believe in Him. He teaches forgiveness of sinners, He addresses individuals for salvation.

Nations have to be governed by Law, to keep the peace by restraining crime, and Law is found in the Old Testament.

You have broken the conditions of my non-interference with all this blatant hypocrisy..

So what do Evangelicals stand for?

Apparently they support Trump and therefore support the Prince of Lies.
They support theft through the worship of billionaires despite what Jesus said about camels and needles. Prosperity Gospel is a pyramid scheme.
They support adultery, forcible rape, and child molestation as evidenced by support for Trump and his buddies, 22 accusations and counting.
They usurp the prerogative of God by declaring themselves saved.
They ignore the beatitudes, the parable of the sheep and goats, and pretty much everything Jesus ever said that does not include declaring themselves saved.
They support the murder of immigrant children as a precursor of Operation Reinhardt.

You worship a false god.

Don't worry, the Democratic Socialists are here to feed the poor, heal the sick, and comfort the afflicted, as is our sacred duty.

Bye, bye evangelicals. Millennials can spot a phony.

Edited by anglagard, : last several sentences

Edited by anglagard, : Mispelled r hypocrisy


Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 3033 of 3062 (857553)
07-09-2019 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 3031 by Chiroptera
07-08-2019 5:48 PM


Re: Representation of immigrants
My first post was a quote from the Census Bureau FAQ, not a discussion of the Constitutional requirements.
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Theodoric
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Message 3034 of 3062 (857558)
07-09-2019 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 3033 by Sarah Bellum
07-09-2019 11:54 AM


Re: Representation of immigrants
We realize that those were quotes from Census Bureau FAQs. The question is, what was the point of that post? Why did you post those FAQ's? No one can discern the point you were trying to make.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 3035 of 3062 (857562)
07-09-2019 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 3034 by Theodoric
07-09-2019 12:16 PM


Re: Representation of immigrants
Just thought I'd put in some actual facts.
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Theodoric
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Message 3036 of 3062 (857564)
07-09-2019 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 3035 by Sarah Bellum
07-09-2019 12:30 PM


Re: Representation of immigrants
Facts about what? Those FAQs had nothing to do with ay conversation going on. They were only relevant if you were attempting to make a point, but it seems all you were trying to do was mussy the waters.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Sarah Bellum
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Message 3037 of 3062 (857567)
07-09-2019 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 3036 by Theodoric
07-09-2019 12:32 PM


Re: Representation of immigrants
I apologize for my shortcomings.

Have a nice day.


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Theodoric
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Message 3038 of 3062 (857595)
07-09-2019 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 3037 by Sarah Bellum
07-09-2019 12:37 PM


Re: Representation of immigrants
Wow!
I have no idea what that was all about.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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JonF
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Message 3039 of 3062 (857935)
07-13-2019 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 2977 by marc9000
06-30-2019 6:40 PM


Re: Trump's Embrace of Foreign Interference Draws FEC Response
I can't resist.


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JonF
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Message 3040 of 3062 (857936)
07-13-2019 4:42 PM


Kind of a shame we can't embed tweets like the other guys can.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1149849356893392896


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dwise1
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Message 3041 of 3062 (857942)
07-13-2019 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 3032 by anglagard
07-08-2019 8:13 PM


Re: Of fools and liars
Don't worry, the Democratic Socialists are here to feed the poor, heal the sick, and comfort the afflicted, as is our sacred duty.

Uh, actually that would be the Social Democrats. Democratic Socialists are an entirely different beast based on a very different economic and social model. It is very easy to get the names switched. It is very unfortunate that our social democrats have gotten the names wrong.

Here is a YouTube video that explains these terms (in case the Wikipedia links above get ignored as some of our members insist on doing): The Difference Between Socialism, Communism, and Marxism Explained by a Marxist by azureScapegoat.

I remember a few months or so ago Percy was asking about what all this meant, so this video may help him with that.

So then, we should call a Social Democrat a Social Democrat, not something somewhat opposite.

Edited by Admin, : Fix YouTube code, don't know why it was failing.


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Message 3042 of 3062 (857967)
07-14-2019 9:32 AM
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07-13-2019 4:42 PM


JonF writes:

Kind of a shame we can't embed tweets like the other guys can.

I see vBulletin can do this now, probably other board software, too. Tweet embedding is a lot harder than YouTube embedding (for the implementer), I checked some time back. But I have time today, let me look at this again.

--Percy


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RAZD
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Message 3043 of 3062 (857980)
07-14-2019 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 3041 by dwise1
07-13-2019 5:52 PM


Mondragon Corporation Cooperatives
Uh, actually that would be the Social Democrats. Democratic Socialists are an entirely different beast based on a very different economic and social model. It is very easy to get the names switched. It is very unfortunate that our social democrats have gotten the names wrong.

It seems to me that the best working example of Social Democracy is the Mondragon Corporation:

quote:
The Mondragon Corporation is a corporation and federation of worker cooperatives based in the Basque region of Spain. It was founded in the town of Mondragon in 1956 by graduates of a local technical college. Its first product was paraffin heaters. It is the tenth-largest Spanish company in terms of asset turnover and the leading business group in the Basque Country. At the end of 2014, it employed 74,117 people in 257 companies and organizations in four areas of activity: finance, industry, retail and knowledge.[3] By 2015, 74,335 people were employed.

Mondragon cooperatives operate in accordance with the Statement on the Co-operative Identity maintained by the International Co-operative Alliance.

This framework of business culture has been structured based on a common culture derived from the 10 Basic Co-operative Principles, in which Mondragon is rooted: Open Admission, Democratic Organisation, the Sovereignty of Labour, Instrumental and Subordinate Nature of Capital, Participatory Management, Payment Solidarity, Inter-cooperation, Social Transformation, Universality and Education.[20]

This philosophy is complemented by four corporate values: Co-operation, acting as owners and protagonists; Participation, which takes shape as a commitment to management; Social Responsibility, by means of the distribution of wealth based on solidarity; and Innovation, focusing on constant renewal in all areas.[21]


Cooperatives run democratically by the workers and making business decisions based on shared values instead of authoritarian decisions from owner capitalists, and working within a capitalistic economy.

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JonF
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Message 3044 of 3062 (858004)
07-14-2019 4:50 PM


They really are addressing only the terminally bewildered

Deputy Director of Communications for Rapid Response for Trump's campaign. He knows his audience will never read the sentence before the highlighted one.
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Chiroptera
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Message 3045 of 3062 (858044)
07-15-2019 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 3044 by JonF
07-14-2019 4:50 PM


Prominent Republicans are ok with racism
From The Guardian:

Republicans silent as Trump renews racist attack on congresswomen

A few Republicans have come out to criticize Trump's remarks that the Democratic progressive women of color should "go back to where they came from."

Justin Amash, the Michigan congressman who has left the party in protest of the Trump presidency, called the tweets “racist and disgusting”. Amash’s parents are Palestinian and Syrian. Mia Love, who lost her seat in Utah last year and is African American, told CNN: “It has to stop. I always feel like I’m not part of the ‘America First’ that he goes out and he talks about all the time.”

Commentators from the Never Trump wing of the party were swift to condemn the president. Charlie Sykes, an editor at the Bulwark website, wrote: “There was a time when GOPers like Paul Ryan, Lindsey Graham, Nikki Haley, Jeff Flake, even Reince [Priebus] would have denounced this kind of racism. Who will speak out now? Will any elected Republican push back?”

But most who hold elected offices and those who have some political clout remain silent.

Such senior party figures, among them Utah senator Mitt Romney, a frequent critic of the president, were silent. Some, such as Graham, instead devoted media appearances to defending Trump over images from the southern border of migrant men held in cages amid what one reporter called “sweltering” heat and “horrific” stench.’

Republicans: it's more important to defend holding human beings in filthy, standing room only cages than it is to defend fellow Americans from racist slurs.


It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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