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Diomedes
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Message 661 of 673 (855502)
06-20-2019 9:01 AM
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06-19-2019 8:59 AM


Down to three - Sajid Javid eliminated
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Sajid Javid has been knocked out of the Tory leadership race, leaving three contenders vying for the job and to be the next PM.

The home secretary received 34 votes coming behind Jeremy Hunt with 59 votes.

Michael Gove received 61 votes and frontrunner Boris Johnson got 157.

A fifth round of voting will take place between 15:30 BST and 17:30 to select the final two candidates.

That result is due at about 18:15.


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48707448

Should know by the end of today who are the final two.


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Message 662 of 673 (855505)
06-20-2019 10:58 AM
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06-20-2019 9:01 AM


Re: Down to three - Sajid Javid eliminated
Should know by the end of today who are the final two.

Who remembers the heady, reckless days of about three years ago; when the thought of Michael Gove, PM would have been an unconscionable nightmare?

Now we're in 2019, where it looks like the lesser evil.

What the hell happened?


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Message 663 of 673 (855509)
06-20-2019 11:39 AM
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06-20-2019 10:58 AM


Re: Down to three - Sajid Javid eliminated
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Now we're in 2019, where it looks like the lesser evil.

What the hell happened?


The Conservative party went nuts over Brexit, won’t listen to reason and the leading alternative is Boris Johnson.


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Diomedes
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Message 664 of 673 (855531)
06-20-2019 12:27 PM
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06-20-2019 11:39 AM


Re: Down to three - Sajid Javid eliminated
The Conservative party went nuts over Brexit, won’t listen to reason and the leading alternative is Boris Johnson.

That's about the size of it.

Additionally, the Labour party under Corbyn hasn't exactly been effective either. Despite favoring remain, there were still many in the party (Corbyn included) who were Euro-skeptics.


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Diomedes
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Message 665 of 673 (855572)
06-20-2019 2:13 PM
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06-20-2019 12:27 PM


The final two
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Jeremy Hunt will face Boris Johnson in the race to be the next Tory leader and PM, after Michael Gove was eliminated in the final ballot of the party's MPs.

Environment Secretary Mr Gove was supported by 75 MPs - just two votes short of Mr Hunt's 77.

Mr Johnson, who was backed by 160 Conservative MPs, said he was looking forward to "getting out across the UK" and to set out his Brexit plan.

He and Mr Hunt will now be put to a vote of around 160,000 party members.

The winner will be announced in the week of 22 July.


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48711077


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Tangle
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Message 666 of 673 (855591)
06-20-2019 4:49 PM


The conservative party are shitting themselves over Farage - yet again. So yet again they're going to do something totally fuckwitted in order to avoid being totally annihilated at the next election for not delivering Brexit.

We're fucked, might as well try to enjoy it. Think of England.


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Diomedes
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Message 667 of 673 (855647)
06-21-2019 9:17 AM
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06-20-2019 4:49 PM


We're fucked, might as well try to enjoy it. Think of England.

Hey Tangle: did you notice you made that statement in post '666' of this thread?

Coincidence? Or something more.....


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caffeine
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Message 668 of 673 (855687)
06-21-2019 4:19 PM
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06-20-2019 4:49 PM


We're fucked, might as well try to enjoy it.

Well then, in that case the best I can think of it whipping out an old classic.

Edited by caffeine, : typo


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Percy
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Message 669 of 673 (857339)
07-07-2019 7:31 PM


Why Did May Step Down?
May stepped down because she was unable to negotiate a Brexit deal with the EU that would pass parliament, meaning that the UK would exit the EU with no deal. But no matter who is elected PM the UK will still crash out of the EU. So isn't the only difference between May staying and May going that now the head of government will likely be a lunatic?

I often miss many of the nuances of British government, but if I've got this right then what was the point of May stepping down?

--Percy


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Message 670 of 673 (857404)
07-08-2019 11:14 AM
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07-07-2019 7:31 PM


Re: Why Did May Step Down?
Because her own Party was about to kick her out. They would have changed the rule that limited challenges to their leader just so they could do it, which wouldn’t have been good for the Party either. So she jumped first, because anything else was worse.
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Diomedes
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Message 671 of 673 (857449)
07-08-2019 2:28 PM
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07-08-2019 11:14 AM


Re: Why Did May Step Down?
Because her own Party was about to kick her out. They would have changed the rule that limited challenges to their leader just so they could do it, which wouldn’t have been good for the Party either. So she jumped first, because anything else was worse.

The EU elections also sealed her fate. When the Brexit party took so many seats and the Conservative party lost a whole slew of MEPs, that basically put the final nail in the May coffin.
If she had remained and a general election was somehow called, the Conservatives would have been trounced.

Sadly, I don't see what Boris Johnson or Jeremy Hunt are going to be able to do at this stage. The EU has stated they are unwilling to renegotiate and either potential PM is more hard line with regards to a No Deal Brexit. Johnson more so.

I also think there is no chance of any further extensions to the deadline. October 31st seems to be etched in stone. On Halloween no less.


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Diomedes
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Message 672 of 673 (857599)
07-09-2019 2:34 PM
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07-08-2019 2:28 PM


Hunt vs Johnson - A Jonathan Pie Rant


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Sarah Bellum
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Message 673 of 673 (857605)
07-09-2019 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Diomedes
06-05-2016 12:35 PM


It's a no-win situation.

If the break is bad, or if the EU tries to punish the UK, things are bad for everyone.

If the UK muddles through, then the benefits that the EU supposedly provides will be seen as less beneficial and the EU will be in danger of splitting further.


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