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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
No. If I pay my taxes and in addition give $100.00 to the local food bank then I have contributed more than the individual who paid the same amount of taxes did who did not make a charitable donation. No. No. You're still only considering two items. You'd need to consider EVERY contribution that a person makes, as I keep saying. It isn't possible to make that calculation. (Note Jesus' example of the lady who gave two mites. You're making the same mistake that the disciples made.)All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
Psychotropic drugs, for one thing. ringo writes:
..and the evidence for that is? Intelligence is a product of physics, chemistry and biology. Edited by ringo, : No reason given.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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GDR writes:
I don't need any. My only claim is that you can't tell how good a person is by their religion.
What evidence do you have that non-church goers contribute more in other ways that do non-church goers. GDR writes:
It has nothing to do with income. It isn't all about cash, as I keep saying. Jesus' point was that you can't determine "how much" a person gives from a simple sum of dollars and cents. Also with your two mites quote that was hardly the point. The studies were done across a broad spectrum that included people of essentially all incomes.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
Those drugs alter the way the brain thinks, which - news flash - indicates that the brain works by chemistry. How on earth is that germane? Those drugs are to help with brain illnesses jsut as you take an Tylenol for a headache.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
Well, it's a start to the explanation, which is what you asked for. The investigation does not include looking behind the car for a spook pushing it.
When we open the hood of a car and see the engine we can see that the car moves because of the engine so that explains everything by that way of thinking. GDR writes:
But we know what the intelligent cause of the engine is. We don't need to speculate about unknown possibilities like leprechauns. I am suggesting that just as the engine needed an intelligent cause so did brain chemistry. And we wouldn't expect an intelligent cause for chemical processes any more than we would expect an intelligent cause for a rock falling down a mountain.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Thugpreacha writes:
Or maybe God is using me (us) to show you how wrong your arguments are. ringo just likes to argue, and I have a grudging respect of how God uses him--the atheist--to force me to sharpen my arguments.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Don't you get it? It was God who said we are as Gods. Ye shall be as gods. Don't you get it?All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Well, that has nothing to do with what I said. God foreknew that we had a sin nature and wanted to figure everything out for ourselves rather than kowtow to His authority. It will likely take awhile longer before we admit that Dad was right all along.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Oh, that's all I'm doing, is it? Just quoting the only source you have for your Jesus? That's all?
All you are doing is quoting the book... Phat writes:
It says what it says.
... and essentially telling me what it says. Phat writes:
You're making up "meaning" that fits your pre-ordained theology. Or more to the point, you're repeating what apologists and commentators have told you to believe. And you're flat-out contradicting what the book actually says. All I am doing is expounding on the words and telling you what it means.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I have no belief to push. We could be talking about Holden Caulfield or Tom Joad. I have no belief in those fictional characters either, and no vested interest in what their stories say. The difference between you and me is that I respect the literature and I will not twist it to fit any beliefs.
It is you who are using the book to push your belief on the rest of us... Phat writes:
But I am just quoting the book. Show us where I have made any claims that are not in the book. ... and then claiming that all you are doing is quoting the book.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
You did invent your definition of "know". If I define "dog" as an animal with wings and feathers, I can draw conclusions from that definition that are entirely within logic and rationality - but they will have little value. But I didn't invent logic and rationality - I'm just "rigging" the God game by playing along those rules.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You have been known to contradict yourself on that point though, haven't you? You're too soft hearted to see billions and billions of people roasting in Hell for eternity, so when it suits you you like to tell us that everybody will change their mind.
The Bible makes it quite clear that not everyone will in fact know or believe. Phat writes:
Strictly speaking, Jesus didn't do a census on the sheep and goats. He made no mention of which was the more numerous. Just because the road that leadeth to destruction is wider doesn't necessarily mean that it has more traffic than the straight and narrow. There will always be more unbelievers than there are believers.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It doesn't matter whether He changes His mind or not. The point is that you can't have your "few are chosen" and not have the remaining many go to Hell. If God is giving us many opportunities to repent, you have to drop your, "The Bible makes it quite clear that not everyone will in fact know or believe," ploy. No, I see God changing His Mind.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
"This" is about Phat wanting to have his cake and watch unbelievers roasting in Hell while he eats it. Your position is cute and cuddly and all but unless you're arguing that most will never believe, you're on a completely different page. This isn't really about the chosen ones being the only one that escape hell.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That has nothing to do with what I said. ringo writes:
Yes, and thats the way it stands now...for all intents and purposes. You can whine all you want about how God is autocratic, but He has given us the way out and you claim its too forceful and harsh. As if listening to someone besides your own mind would be such an imposition on your cherished free will. The point is that you can't have your "few are chosen" and not have the remaining many go to Hell. I said that EITHER you can have your "few are chosen" doctrine AND have millions suffer in Hell - OR you can have your benevolent God giving people chance after chance after chance until they believe. You can NOT have both.All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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