For ever, literally, women who have been raped/abused who complain have become the victims of character assassination while their complaints were ignored. They were ignored by the dominant male culture, the power structure in society as well as in law, that think women are sex toys to be used.
I know what MeToo is all about. And the basic premise is fine; great even. But just like all these movements, they morph into more extreme versions of themselves and begin to take on another meaning. Its the same thing with feminism. Obviously virtually all women want equal rights for women, and yet about half would characterize themselves as "feminists." Why do you suppose this is? Because feminism has largely morphed into something beyond its original meaning. Same thing with MeToo.
#Metoo is not about guilt until proven innocent. It is about giving credence to the complaint and providing the same evidenced-based inquest we afford any other criminal complaint.
No, it really hasn't. In 2017 it was an Olympic event to label people as rapists and to convict them in the court of public opinion which only served to damage legitimate harassment and rape claims. I will always give credit where credit is due. There are certainly real life scumbags like Bill Cosby or Harvey Shitstain but there were a lot of really petty nonsense going on simultaneously.
Look at those rich and powerful accused. Until #Metoo they were able to avoid any problem since they needn't provide any defense whatsoever. With #Metoo we learn they could not provide any defense for their crime(s) and their entire facade of male superiority vanished along with their brash egotistical personalities.
Besides obvious ones like Cosby or Weinstein, who are you referring to?
Why does the alt-Reich complain so bitterly about seeking justice? Maybe because it is staffed by misogynists?
I don't know. I'm not Alt-Right, Alt-Reich, or a part of any other organization. I hate ANTIFA, Alt-Right thugs, or pretty much any other fly by night "group." Run it by them, not me.
What's with all this Clinton bashing?
Because he was the mother of all Metoo outrages, damn near the poster child for it, and yet there was a curious silence when Hilary was running for office. She had the balls to make a big deal about "Grab her by the pussy" as if locker room talk was soooo scandalous. Meanwhile her own husband was literally sexually assaulting people for decades Not to mention his affiliations with Epstein; having taken numerous flights to rape island on the Lolita Express. Where was the moral outrage? Silence.
Frankly, she would have been a much better choice than the dysfunctional cloddish dolt presently in the White House. Even Bill would have been a better vote and he can't even run.
Choosing between those two was like trying to choose between Gonorrhea and Syphilis. What a disaster -- almost like a dark comedy -- too unreal to believe.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
I find it funny that he claims he is not alt-right. If you push alt-right arguments, when you talk like the alt-right, when you attack women, minorities, when you make unsubstantiated claims about antifa, you might be alt-reich.
I don't have time to address the bulk of the substantive issue but I'll take a little time to address your scathing, personal criticisms of me. You claim I'm Alt-Right because I "talk" Alt-Right, whatever that means. And that I "attack women" because I think the MeToo movement, like most movements, are pretentious virtue signals. I do more for women in crisis on a daily basis than you have in your entire life. I do more for minorities on a daily basis than you have your entire life. But the fact that you defend Antifa, a bunch of petulant children running around assaulting people and destroying property is a full display that you are not objectively qualified to even have this conversation. Of course I'm Alt-Right to YOU!
In your very extreme Left version of liberalism, anything not that far to the Left is naturally Alt-Right to you... but it doesn't mean it is in actuality. If I was Alt-Right, I'd flat out tell you. How many Alt-Right people do you know that doesn't support Trump? I've been very vocal that I don't support him or the types of people who do.
As with most things sociopolitical, this binary view of Left vs Right is in actuality a false dichotomy. People and their beliefs are dynamic. Do I support some positions that are typically considered Rightwing? Yeah, absolutely. And I'm vocal about them. Do I support issues that are typically Leftwing in ideology? Absolutely, and I'm vocal about them. If I absolutely had to label myself politically, I'd call me a Moderate. On any given topic or issue I might lean more to one side or the other.
You don't need to invent posts claiming I'm against women and minorities just because I think a single element of an impromptu movement went too far with an otherwise wonderful concept. Thanks.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
Classic wing nut protestations of innocence. You know nothing about me. Do not dare pretend to know anything about what I have done in my life.
This after YOU made the ad hominem attack that I'm a misogynist and hate minorities. If you don't want to start shit then don't sling shit around. Simple.
quote:In your very extreme Left version of liberalism, anything not that far to the Left is naturally Alt-Right to you.
I just love when people destroy their own argument when they act exactly like what they accuse others of acting like. You might want to try some self-awareness.
This coming from an Antifa defender. You have NO objectivity. I'm not defending the Alt-Right, I'm openly disavowing the Alt-Right, but are you disavowing extreme leftist ideology? Nope. I think you better turn that mirror around, cupcake.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
You keep bringing up what you do, yet you're very coy about it. You're not a policeman, but you do something somehow related in a way that you felt lent your views on police work some authority - if there was more information than that I don't recall it. Now you're again claiming your work, this time for women and minorities, lends your views some authority. Because you keep bringing it up as giving your views some weight, why don't you tell us what it is, exactly, that you do?
Because I don't really want to talk about what it is I do because then you're getting a little too close to my personal life. Secondly, some of the people on here (not you, Percy, we have our differences but I view you as an honorable man) seem like just the sort of people that find doxing perfectly acceptable behavior. You're right though, I shouldn't have made allusions as to what I do for a living if I wasn't going to fully explain it. I guess I'll just offer this hint and we'll leave it at that: I've been in a lot of different fields that tend to overlap with one another. I work and have always worked in the public sector (government) be it federal, state, county or city level for about 19-20 years now. So I work constantly with people of every gender, race, nationality, ethnicity, etc on a daily basis and everyone is treated with the dignity and respect they deserve without prejudice, without bias and without exception. I was openly challenged, I took exception to it, and felt the need to defend my honor. And I think I've already shared too much.
I don't know very much about Antifa, but I think everyone should be against violence in the service of political ends.
Antifa and Proud Boys are constantly battling each other, literally, in some cities around the nation and in some cases other parts of the world. Both factions are really deepening the rift between Right and Left. They're a problem.
Vocal on liberal issues? Here at EvC? Where?
Here and elsewhere.
Just one person's perspective: however you want to describe yourself politically, you definitely come across to me as fairly rightwing. I know you don't support Trump.
And that is a fair perspective as I have definitely retained some beliefs that are commonly associated with rightwing beliefs. But I have taken up more leftwing causes over the years and I would think that you have seen this transformation when compared to ten or so years when I aligned more to the right... so much so that I don't consider myself a Republican and I don't consider myself "on the Right." In fact, I think this division is slowly killing us as a nation. I value moderation and value trying to reach across the aisle.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
Then tell that to Jar, not me. He was the one who denied that its a thing.
Given these figures, the default should be believing the accusation or at very least taking it very seriously with the caveat that there is a less than 10% chance an accusation may be false.
Every single accusation should be taken seriously... and every single accusation should be investigated.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
It isn't an ad hominem if your arguments support my claim. I am not attacking you, I am attacking the arguments you have made. If you have a problem with that, maybe you need to reexamine the arguments you have made.
No, you attacked me and claimed that I hate women and minorities... because I made the suggestion that an investigatory process is always preferable than just believing in an accusation point blank. And then you just invented out of thin air something about minorities. When did I mention minorities? Its obvious you have this mental checklist of talking points that you're spouting without any actual reason to point at me. As you surely know the power lies in the accusation, not the facts. Just denigrate me as an Alt-Right, woman-hating, minority-hating fascist because I dared to dissent from the tenets of your religion.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
So, no evidence of any wrongdoing, can't name anyone alleged to have committed aggravated perjury, doesn't have a clue as to the structure of the US government, and doesn't know how we found out about Hillary's server.
She had sent numerous classified cables through open servers because she's an idiot. The Secretary of State is directly in charge of those cables, especially as they relate to foreign affairs, which were among the trove of malfeasance uncovered. And lastly, the cables were HACKED. That you shift the goalposts because it wasn't at her house but was hacked at the DNC is completely moot. How do you think those emails ended up there? The DNC doesn't have access to that kind of material, but Hilary did. You trying to spin it like no big deal is hilarious. She might as well talk about Area 51 in a Hotmail account... She is, without question, the highest ranking government official to ever leak sensitive information regarding the United States in the history of espionage. The only reason she wasn't hanged and quartered was because there's no reason to assume it was done with deliberate intention of harming the US, but rather, that she's simply a moron.
And this hack, by the way, was also how we now know there was a conspiracy to oust Bernie Sanders by the DNC in favor of Clinton. Your minimization of the event is kind of amusing though.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
Surprising, many white nationists do post problematic results, and also surprisingly (at least to me), other white supremists are usually supportive, explaining away the results as the inaccuracies inherent in DNA testing or by anti-white conspiracies.
Was one of those white nationalists named Clayton Bigsby?
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
Re: The cause it that the Trump Administration wants to cause maximum pain and suffering
The rational standard is to accept anyone who is not contagious and who wants to work and improve their family life.
How would you be able to determine any of that without stopping and temporarily detaining them? If we're going to be consistent the same should apply with anyone flying into the United States. People aren't screened for contagious diseases upon disembarking from planes. But it does require a passport and a visa to know who is entering and leaving the U.S. I'm all for immigration when it is done the right way. I'd even be in favor of the way it was handled at Ellis Island so that Mexicans and Central/South Americans feel there is no need to evade the screening process. There should be incentives for going through the proper channels and drawbacks to intentionally avoiding it.
Also, if the allegations of maltreatment are even half as bad as the media coverage states, I'm all for reformation of that immediately.
I think you're partially right here. We should be welcoming and accommodating as possible without being foolish and naive about it.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
Re: The cause it that the Trump Administration wants to cause maximum pain and suffering
The vast majority of people in the southern border ARE trying to go through proper channels. Seeking asylum is a proper legal channel.
Seeking asylum is going to an embassy and filling out paperwork, not crossing the border undetected and living in hiding. Seems to me that people are seeking asylum only after they've been caught by Border Patrol. Asylum also is difficult to obtain, as it generally requires a nation being hostile to a group and that deportation would almost certainly have them imprisoned, tortured, and murdered.
But to that end, it also seems to me that the only reason people are trying to go undetected is because they feel like they're about to be detained for months only to be shipped right back to where they were fleeing from. I feel like if there was a more streamlined process that immigrants wouldn't feel the need to go that route.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
Re: Pensacola shooter identified as from Saudi Arabia
Yes, do remember that because despiteyour sarcastic spin thqat is the truth. ISLAM AS AN IDEOLOGY is evil. I've made it clear that there are different relations Muslims have to that ideology but the ideology itself is a murderous evil oppressive tyrannical ideology. CHRISTIQANITY IS ANYTHING BUT so that evil committed in its name is FALSE and a VIOLATION of it. Christianity built the West, it is the basic inspiration for our freedoms. Islam, like Marxism,keeps people in mental and often literal chains. Yes, learn it, it's the truth.
Islam literally picked up where the Old Testament left off. It just retained all of the gore and punishment whereas Christianity branched off to a more kinder and gentler belief about God. But as we've seen with the Crusades and Inquisition, the human heart is capable of all kinds of evil under the justifications of religion.
Islam is a shit religion... just like, well, all of them... but Islam is not so different than the one you worship. The Qur'an even references and reveres the People of the Book (Christians and Jews practicing non-pagan beliefs). The reality is that there's more overlap between you and a Muslim than an atheist and a Muslim. They believe in the subservience of women, as do you. They believe homosexuality is wicked, as do you. They believe that sin is an abomination, as do you. They believe atheists are wicked, as do you... You seem to delight in the thought of God's righteous judgments on sinners, as do they... on and on and on. I mean, hell, they're out there doing the wet work Christians no longer have the stomach for.
But you should also know that just as there are different kinds of Christians, there really are different kinds of Muslims. There are lukewarm Muslims, Muslims that only follow it for nostalgic reasons, some very moderate, some very hardcore, some that use it to justify their sociopathy.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
Re: Pensacola shooter identified as from Saudi Arabia
That by itself is worth a "cheers".
*Raises a glass*
That is what the fundamentalists don't recognize. They don't believe that there are different kinds of Christians. The only "true" Christians are the ones who believe in exactly the same narrow interpretation of their dogmas that they do. Everyone else is a "false" Christian.
On some level I understand the premise. I think most of us can recognize that the prosperity gospel teachers or the hustlers (Peter Popoff) are knowingly using a religion to line their pockets and could care less if they pilfer from the pockets of some sweet-natured 90 year old pensioner. If we're being honest, there is something especially disgusting with them. There is a difference, in my estimation, between these wolves in sheep's clothing when compared to a strict fundamentalist. The fundamentalist is not wrong in pointing to the scripture where Jesus said, "By their fruits you will recognize them," and how he discusses separating the wheat (real Christians) from the tares (false prophets). On some level I find legitimacy in that from a scriptural point of view and I can usually get a sense of sincerity. Many fundies are truly being sincere.... but we can all be sincerely wrong too.
Where many fundamentalists seem to go horribly wrong is a "No True Scotsman" fallacy where their particular brand of Christianity is the only way in. It may be scripturally accurate to say but it doesn't say who is who... and given Jesus' own excoriation of the Chief Priests, Pharisees and Sadducees, tells me that his biggest problem was with the pomp of religiosity. He said "forgive them for they know not what they do" to the very people who executed them but had a scathing indictment against the scholars. That's saying a lot.
Those who are the most certain of their salvation may very well be the one's most in danger of the damnation they gleefully wish for others.
But your basic point is correct. Not everyone who calls themself a Christian and quotes the Bible is a "true" Christian, but everyone who calls themself a Muslim and quotes the Quran believes exactly the same thing and is a potential suicide bomber.
Bingo. I think Islam is a dangerous religion... but I don't think all Muslims are necessarily dangerous people because of it. I could level the exact same argument against Christianity -- particularly the Old Testament. Doesn't mean that every Xtian is a dangerous fanatic because of it. The reality is that there really is a lot of crossover between the two religions. My parents are "Christians" in the sense of some vague nostalgia... its been so interwoven between Americanism and The Church et al that, for them, to be an American is to be a Christian. But they don't read the bible and they aren't out there thumping people over the head. There are millions upon millions of Muslims who live the exact same lifestyle. Maybe they're Turks or Iranians who are fond of some of the things associated with Islam -- the least of which being martyrdom or violence. Maybe just as American children have fond memories of Sunday School do some moderate Muslims.
For however dangerous many religions can be in the hands of the wrong people, it is equally dangerous to write off people only account of that. I believe that neither whitewashing Islam is the answer nor is condemning people solely based on it. If we make an enemy of Muslims based on the religion then we have unwittingly created a self-fulfilling prophecy for ourselves. We are turning once moderate people into hardcore fundamentalists.
As to the Pensacola shooter.... he could have been radicalized... he could also have been an insane person losing his grip on reality. His motives are inconsequential compared to his actions. What I can state fairly categorically is that he is the one who made the conscious decision to do what he did, not an entire religion. I don't think Faith would like it if I blamed her for something David Koresh did. I hope she can offer the same perspective about others.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
Re: Pensacola shooter identified as from Saudi Arabia
Mohammed got his religion from a demon in a cave
Demonstrate how you know that.
Mohammed knew a little bit of the Bible and got it all twisted up. He was basically illiterate and one of his aunts considered him to be demon-possessed and she certainly got that right.
The Qur'an is an extension parts of the NT and OT, just as the NT is an extension of the OT, just as the Book of Mormon is an extension of the NT. The stories are intermingled because these false prophets wanted to add to it. I didn't say Mohammed wasn't a lunatic, I'm just saying he isn't so different from a guy who murdered an Egyptian, buried his corpse in sand dunes, and then came down off a mountain (by himself) with two carved stone tablets claiming that God carved them. If you can explain how that's less stupid I'm all ears.
Islam murders people who disagree with it
Islam doesn't murder anything. Some adherents of Islam murder people, just as some people, period, murder people.
where in the Old Testament do you find any such thing? THINK carefully because it is not there
I don't have time to look up every instance of murder in the OT, but there's so much of it could fill a valley with a river of blood. I already provided one example. Moses, the progenitor of modern Judaism and the foundation of which Jesus referenced, was a murderer prone to fits of rage. Not to mention all the different ways Moses commanded people be killed -- like, well, stoning women to death. Does that sound familiar to you? It did to Mohammed. Sorry to tell you that its wasn't an original piece for Mohammed. It seems Moses beat him to the punch thousands of years earlier.
Oh, and the women head covering thing in Islam? All a previous custom handed down to him. Its even in the New Testament. How many Christian women do you think observes that? So, Faith, do you wear a hijab or are you, as 1st Corinthians says, disgraceful?
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
Re: Authoritarianism Dies A Slow Death. What Replaces It?
We apparently have now evolved to the point that women care to wear clothing to church that invokes temptation among many men. I suppose that is their right. Not that God cares, surely.
The bible says he cares about it which is why its in the bible
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
Not to mention his affiliations with Epstein; having taken numerous flights to rape island on the Lolita Express. Where was the moral outrage? Silence.
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