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Author Topic:   Did the Flood really happen?
jar
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Message 225 of 2370 (857709)
07-10-2019 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Faith
07-10-2019 3:28 PM


Faith writes:
If I weren't trying so hard to practice spiritual principles I'd want to strange you all. Well I DO want to strangle you all.
And once again you show that the Greatest Threat to the US and the World is the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

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jar
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Message 252 of 2370 (857762)
07-11-2019 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by Faith
07-10-2019 9:24 PM


Re: The Vexed Problem for Creationists of Providing Evidence
Faith writes:
I've assumed there is no evidence that could be pointed to for the climate differences before and after the Flood, but I'd love to thlnk there is.
Actually Faith, there is overwhelming and conclusive evidence that the climate before and after the time when either of the Biblical Floods stories claim it happened were pretty much identical to today. There is absolute evidence that there was rain, that the critters and plants and fungi were the same, that there was no mass extinction of all populations of plants, animals or fungi at that time. There is overwhelming evidence that the temperatures were pretty much the same both before and after the time when either of the Biblical floods supposedly happened.
It's not just that there is no evidence for a climate difference before and after the time either of the floods supposedly happened, there is overwhelming evidence that there was no changes.

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jar
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Message 275 of 2370 (857820)
07-11-2019 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by Faith
07-11-2019 4:36 PM


Re: What if all the physical evidence was destroyed?
Think Faith, think.
If the evidence was destroyed there would be evidence of the destruction. Just like we can tell when layers of rock thousands of feet thick are missing.
BUT... the important thing is that not only is the evidence not missing, there is overwhelming evidence that neither of the Biblical Floods ever happened.
Sorry faith but any belief that there was a Biblical Flood is simply silly at best.

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jar
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Message 339 of 2370 (858001)
07-14-2019 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 337 by Faith
07-14-2019 3:07 PM


total failure to explain of physical reality.
Yet you still cannot explain how either of the Biblical Floods could create millions of alternating layers of finer material covered by courser material, transport whole islands of coral intact and deposit them right side up, create and preserve wind blown sand dunes, leave tracks of critters or intact nests, sort biological samples by critter or plant or pollen type or in fact any of the hundreds if not thousands of examples that exist in reality.

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jar
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Message 347 of 2370 (858010)
07-14-2019 8:50 PM


Still waiting for the model, method, mechanism, process or procedure.
Faith, how did either of the Biblical Floods
  1. create millions of alternating layers of finer material covered by courser material,
  2. transport whole islands of coral intact and deposit them right side up,
  3. create and preserve wind blown sand dunes,
  4. leave tracks of critters and intact nests,
  5. sort biological samples by critter and plant and pollen by type.

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jar
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Message 360 of 2370 (858032)
07-15-2019 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 356 by Faith
07-15-2019 7:59 AM


Re: Lithification
Faith writes:
And now may I ask how they could possibly know it took so many thousands of years since it's impossible to measure it?
Why is it impossible to measure?

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jar
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Message 367 of 2370 (858043)
07-15-2019 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 364 by JonF
07-15-2019 9:49 AM


Re: Lithification
Do I need to have been there or might there be other ways I could determine how much time passed?

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jar
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Message 389 of 2370 (858165)
07-17-2019 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 386 by Faith
07-17-2019 6:33 PM


Re: honest exploration of physical reality.
Faith writes:
None of those sites existed before the Flood. You are welcome to your different view of the dates, but my view is biblical and the Flood is as far back as anything goes. Evidence for either view doesn't really exist.
Bullshit Faith. You can only assert that "Evidence for either view doesn't really exist" by being willfully ignorant or utterly dishonest.
The evidence for the existence before the alleged dates of either Biblical Flood story exists in position, chemistry, geology, radiometric dating as well as every other testing method yet devised. There is No evidence of either Biblical Flood other than the stories in the Bible.

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jar
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Message 420 of 2370 (858221)
07-18-2019 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 406 by Aussie
07-18-2019 10:36 AM


Aussie writes:
I really can't remember anyone else on the forum EVER wish harm on another member, let alone fantasize about murdering them. Except you.
It really isn't normal, Faith.
Unfortunately it is actually pretty common. I have been told by "Christians" here that I should be taken out and shot, that if they could reach me they would throttle me and several other similar truly stupid comments.

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jar
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Message 423 of 2370 (858231)
07-18-2019 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 421 by Faith
07-18-2019 1:54 PM


Yes, Christians here. Don't remember the name but from England, Buz for another, you quite a few times.
As I have often said, the greatest threat today in the US is Fundamental Christianity.

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jar
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Message 424 of 2370 (858232)
07-18-2019 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 422 by Faith
07-18-2019 2:05 PM


Re: Did the Flood sort the strata ?
No, one would expect to find fossils in the area near where they died.

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jar
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Message 433 of 2370 (858241)
07-18-2019 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 425 by Faith
07-18-2019 2:12 PM


Well, if I thought today's Fundamental Christians worth the effort I'd search back to find the posts. But they aren't.
I did find it and the member was iano in Message 102.
Classic Fundamental Christian call to violence.
Like saying folk should be strangled.
Edited by jar, : found the post.

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jar
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Message 434 of 2370 (858242)
07-18-2019 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 426 by Faith
07-18-2019 2:13 PM


Re: Did the Flood sort the strata ?
There was no flood.

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jar
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Message 439 of 2370 (858248)
07-18-2019 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 438 by Percy
07-18-2019 6:29 PM


is granite part of a geological column?
Question about Granite not being part of a geological column.
Would Half Dome be considered as part of a Geological column?
Is Texas Pink Granite part of a Geological Column?
Is Stone Mountain part of a geological column?
What about Granite Mountain?

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jar
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Posts: 34026
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Message 476 of 2370 (858418)
07-20-2019 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 467 by edge
07-20-2019 9:29 AM


Re: Absurdity
I believe an important point that is not being stressed enough is that "laying down" is a process that requires time. Each layer might be originally laid down straight and flat BUT that is only the very top layer. The top layer then gets eroded making it no longer flat.
Later a second layer is deposited on the no longer flat surface and built up over time until the very highest part of layer two is once again flat and straight. It too then gets eroded and becomes no longer straight and flat.
The process continues to repeat.
At sometime the whole existing section gets tilted or deformed so the whole existing section is no longer flat and erosion continues.
The next layer once again fills the low spots and builds up until once again it is flat and straight at the upper surface.
BUT...
Each period of slowly building up a surface and slowly eroding and weathering away of a surface requires TIME and a sequential series of events.
Unless Faith or someone else who thinks there was some Biblical flood can explain the flood model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that can perform all that is needed to create what actually exists withing a one year period of time, the idea of any Biblical Flood as a reality can simply be dismissed.

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