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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
This headline from The Guardian pretty much says it all:
Trump labor secretary who cut Epstein deal plans to slash funds for sex trafficking victims Because of course they would.It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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I find it funny that he claims he is not alt-right.
If you push alt-right arguments, when you talk like the alt-right, when you attack women, minorities, when you make unsubstantiated claims about antifa, you might be alt-reich. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
And again we see accusations against antifa do not stand up to scrutiny.
quote:Is It Possible to Mix Cement Into a Vegan Milkshake? We Did It. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie? |
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
I find it funny that he claims he is not alt-right.
I missed that. If he isn't alt-right he certainly has drunk all their Kool-Aid.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
I find it funny that he claims he is not alt-right. If you push alt-right arguments, when you talk like the alt-right, when you attack women, minorities, when you make unsubstantiated claims about antifa, you might be alt-reich. I don't have time to address the bulk of the substantive issue but I'll take a little time to address your scathing, personal criticisms of me. You claim I'm Alt-Right because I "talk" Alt-Right, whatever that means. And that I "attack women" because I think the MeToo movement, like most movements, are pretentious virtue signals. I do more for women in crisis on a daily basis than you have in your entire life. I do more for minorities on a daily basis than you have your entire life. But the fact that you defend Antifa, a bunch of petulant children running around assaulting people and destroying property is a full display that you are not objectively qualified to even have this conversation. Of course I'm Alt-Right to YOU! In your very extreme Left version of liberalism, anything not that far to the Left is naturally Alt-Right to you... but it doesn't mean it is in actuality. If I was Alt-Right, I'd flat out tell you. How many Alt-Right people do you know that doesn't support Trump? I've been very vocal that I don't support him or the types of people who do. As with most things sociopolitical, this binary view of Left vs Right is in actuality a false dichotomy. People and their beliefs are dynamic. Do I support some positions that are typically considered Rightwing? Yeah, absolutely. And I'm vocal about them. Do I support issues that are typically Leftwing in ideology? Absolutely, and I'm vocal about them. If I absolutely had to label myself politically, I'd call me a Moderate. On any given topic or issue I might lean more to one side or the other. You don't need to invent posts claiming I'm against women and minorities just because I think a single element of an impromptu movement went too far with an otherwise wonderful concept. Thanks. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
I do more for women in crisis on a daily basis than you have in your entire life. I do more for minorities on a daily basis than you have your entire life.
Classic wing nut protestations of innocence.You know nothing about me. Do not dare pretend to know anything about what I have done in my life. Your claims of righteousness mean nothing. Do not dare claim to know more about minorities and how they are treated on a daily basis more than I do. Because unless you live it you know nothing. I am not going to get in to a who's dick is bigger contest with you. That you want to have one tells me a lot. In your very extreme Left version of liberalism, anything not that far to the Left is naturally Alt-Right to you.
I just love when people destroy their own argument when they act exactly like what they accuse others of acting like. You might want to try some self-awareness.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
hyro writes:
Message 2439 I'm not Alt-RightIf it quacks like a duck and it walks like a duck. He seems to think that since he has criticized Trump he can not be alt-right. I guess maybe he doesn't identify as alt-right but he supports a lot if not most of their positions. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
China fails to buy agricultural goods as promised: Trump
quote:No, Donnie, everybody has figured out that proposing huge purchases without making any commitment or intending to follow through is the way to make you shut up and leave.
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Percy Member Posts: 22479 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Hyroglyphx writes: I do more for women in crisis on a daily basis than you have in your entire life. I do more for minorities on a daily basis than you have your entire life. You keep bringing up what you do, yet you're very coy about it. You're not a policeman, but you do something somehow related in a way that you felt lent your views on police work some authority - if there was more information than that I don't recall it. Now you're again claiming your work, this time for women and minorities, lends your views some authority. Because you keep bringing it up as giving your views some weight, why don't you tell us what it is, exactly, that you do?
But the fact that you defend Antifa, a bunch of petulant children running around assaulting people and destroying property is a full display that you are not objectively qualified to even have this conversation. I don't know very much about Antifa, but I think everyone should be against violence in the service of political ends.
Do I support issues that are typically Leftwing in ideology? Absolutely, and I'm vocal about them. Vocal on liberal issues? Here at EvC? Where? Just one person's perspective: however you want to describe yourself politically, you definitely come across to me as fairly rightwing. I know you don't support Trump. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Typo.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 856 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Hyroglyphx writes: Lets not play coy that the mantra "Believe Survivors" didn't dominate headlines. That's because it should.
quote: https://www.nsvrc.org/..._NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf Given these figures, the default should be believing the accusation or at very least taking it very seriously with the caveat that there is a less than 10% chance an accusation may be false. Jessie Smolett's case does not invalidate this research. Edited by anglagard, : separate a quoted sentence.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Great business man. Great negotiator. I think not. What a loser.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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anglagard Member (Idle past 856 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
In regard to Trump:
Faith writes: He has plenty of lamentable personality traits, as do most of us, but none of them reaches to that level, and his virtues as a President outweigh them. So how does Evangelical "morality" work? Ok Trump I'll trade your thousands of lies (as reported by non-partisan Politifact, or over 10,000 lies as reported by the Washington Post) for two seats on the Supreme Court. I'll trade 22 viable sexual assault accusations for your tax cuts for the rich. I'll trade NATO for removing legal protection from the LBGTQ community. I'll trade overtuning your tax fraud conviction for our desire to abuse immigrant children. And so on. I didn't realize Evangelicals believe the Ten Commandments are negotiable. At least you are winning the war against Christianity.
quote: https://www.thedailybeast.com/...ecline-in-christian-faith Transactional morality? Seems more about Capitalism than Religion.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Classic wing nut protestations of innocence. You know nothing about me. Do not dare pretend to know anything about what I have done in my life. This after YOU made the ad hominem attack that I'm a misogynist and hate minorities. If you don't want to start shit then don't sling shit around. Simple.
quote: I just love when people destroy their own argument when they act exactly like what they accuse others of acting like. You might want to try some self-awareness. This coming from an Antifa defender. You have NO objectivity. I'm not defending the Alt-Right, I'm openly disavowing the Alt-Right, but are you disavowing extreme leftist ideology? Nope. I think you better turn that mirror around, cupcake."Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
You keep bringing up what you do, yet you're very coy about it. You're not a policeman, but you do something somehow related in a way that you felt lent your views on police work some authority - if there was more information than that I don't recall it. Now you're again claiming your work, this time for women and minorities, lends your views some authority. Because you keep bringing it up as giving your views some weight, why don't you tell us what it is, exactly, that you do? Because I don't really want to talk about what it is I do because then you're getting a little too close to my personal life. Secondly, some of the people on here (not you, Percy, we have our differences but I view you as an honorable man) seem like just the sort of people that find doxing perfectly acceptable behavior. You're right though, I shouldn't have made allusions as to what I do for a living if I wasn't going to fully explain it. I guess I'll just offer this hint and we'll leave it at that: I've been in a lot of different fields that tend to overlap with one another. I work and have always worked in the public sector (government) be it federal, state, county or city level for about 19-20 years now. So I work constantly with people of every gender, race, nationality, ethnicity, etc on a daily basis and everyone is treated with the dignity and respect they deserve without prejudice, without bias and without exception. I was openly challenged, I took exception to it, and felt the need to defend my honor. And I think I've already shared too much.
I don't know very much about Antifa, but I think everyone should be against violence in the service of political ends. Antifa and Proud Boys are constantly battling each other, literally, in some cities around the nation and in some cases other parts of the world. Both factions are really deepening the rift between Right and Left. They're a problem.
Vocal on liberal issues? Here at EvC? Where? Here and elsewhere.
Just one person's perspective: however you want to describe yourself politically, you definitely come across to me as fairly rightwing. I know you don't support Trump. And that is a fair perspective as I have definitely retained some beliefs that are commonly associated with rightwing beliefs. But I have taken up more leftwing causes over the years and I would think that you have seen this transformation when compared to ten or so years when I aligned more to the right... so much so that I don't consider myself a Republican and I don't consider myself "on the Right." In fact, I think this division is slowly killing us as a nation. I value moderation and value trying to reach across the aisle. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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He has no idea what free speech is. He wants strict Republican government control. It's OK If You're A Republican.
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