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Message 49 of 2119 (857222)
07-06-2019 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by jar
07-06-2019 5:35 PM


Adam and Steve
Isn't that Steve, Adam's ex-lover?

When the three of them were kicked out of Eden and the sin of faggotism developed from the fall from perfection god had Steve killed leaving Adam no option than to cleave to Eve as the second, less perfect, choice?

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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Message 114 of 2119 (857503)
07-08-2019 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Faith
07-08-2019 6:24 PM


If you can't see why it's absrd I can't explain it to you.

No. Not allowed. Data, facts, reasoning. Required.

The Flood explains sedimentary layers better.

How better? Details for that better?


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Message 208 of 2119 (857690)
07-10-2019 2:15 PM
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07-10-2019 12:53 PM


Re: Aabsurdity
Remember it was you who said to edge that his facts on the geologic column are absurd.

You think it absurd because it doesn’t fit your bronze age mythology. You don’t have any logical factual reason for this view. The actual geologic data refutes your flud therefore it cannot stand. ‘Cept you have no facts/logic/reasoning to dispute the geologic data other than it proves your flud a fake.

More importantly for this part of your discussions, when given the factual data in detail you insist on producing the most inane ad hoc fantasy explanations. Then you insist your delusions are viable just because you voiced them regardless of the torrent of facts stacked against you. You don’t address the opposition facts except for repeating your ad hoc fantasies and insisting they are correct since you already stated them.

Crazy.

It's aabsurd just to look at it. Which can be seen most clearly in the Grand Canyon which exposes the whole column from the Great Unconformity, or at least the Tapeats sandstone, through the Permian time period or Kaibab limestone.

There it is: the idea that time periods (Cambrian, Silurian, Devonian, Mississippian, Permian, Triassic, Jurassic, Eonian, etc) get expressed in the physical form of discreet separate layers of lithified sediments, often very specific sediments such as sandstone or limestone or shale and so on, that's what's aabsurd.

You say this without giving any facts or reasoning other than “it is”. Yet the actual facts deny you.

As much as you would like, your religion does not grant you license to deny demonstrable facts. Nor does it grant you any standing to disagree with scientific conclusions.

Use caution here. I did not say you are required to accept our conclusions. I said you haven’t the intellectual chops to challenge our conclusions. Nor do any of your apologists. The dictates of your religion have no effect and mean nothing.

You cannot just deny facts. You have to produce other demonstrable facts that can be verified in the same rigourous way as those you seek to deny.

You have to bring stronger science than the science you are trying to defeat. You have not done this. You provide nothing but fantasy and emotion.

You will continue to meet stiff opposition by denying demonstrable fact with incredulity and ad hoc excuses.

Faith, M’lady, you have become an insult to intelligent discourse and you leave your opposition here little but ridicule to give you in response.


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Message 276 of 2119 (857822)
07-11-2019 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by Faith
07-11-2019 2:47 PM


Re: Aabsurdity
Even if you all thlnk my views are indefensible, does it really help to assume I didn't come by them honestly?

Since you have, for years here at EvC, insisted you believed the bible over all else when it came to the flud narrative I never considered you were not being honest. Every ad hoc argument, every twisted excuse for reason and logic, was in support of your biblical belief, was it not?

The science is absurd in your view not from any independent study into facts and physics but because it did not conform to your interpretation of your bible, your bronze age mythology. Now you tell us this was a dishonest view?

the standard explanation of the geo column with its fossils violates any reasonable physical explanation

If you knew the facts and physics of the subject you would know this is bull. The reality not just supports the standard explanation but the facts require that explanation.

In any case, it's got nothing to do with my Christian belief, it's entirely my judgment from observation.

If this were true your judgement not just lacks foundation it really sucks. Still trying to give false misleading ad hoc explanations for your failures of judgement.

I'm going to go watch some spiritual stuff.

Yah it's probably too late to learn anything real.


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Message 278 of 2119 (857827)
07-11-2019 6:00 PM
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07-11-2019 5:32 PM


Re: Aabsurdity
Didn't mean to depress you.

What was misunderstood?


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Message 342 of 2119 (858005)
07-14-2019 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 340 by Faith
07-14-2019 3:38 PM


Re: honest exploration of physical reality.
But my main arguments have been thoght through.

This is why having you in this community is so productive in these debates.

Your “thought through” actually isn't and is the very reason science exists … needs to exist.

Your arguments are the most striking example of the intellectual straight jacket religion puts on the human mind.

We joke about how CRP (crazy religious people) form their conclusions first then look for reasons to hold them. You actually, unashamedly, purposely follow that paradigm. You put the C with the RP.

You are a most wonderful example of how not to think in a modern world. It's almost like god put you here to show the newbies and the lurk-o-sphere how not to be. You are a most wonderful example of why religion needs to fade away from all human culture.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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Message 348 of 2119 (858011)
07-14-2019 9:09 PM
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07-14-2019 7:48 PM


Re: honest exploration of physical reality.
Thank you for your kind and thoughtful opinion.

I am most gratified for the opportunity to contribute my thoughts (actually thought through and verifiable) to this discussion. You are most welcome.


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Message 349 of 2119 (858012)
07-14-2019 9:11 PM
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07-14-2019 8:50 PM


Re: Still waiting for the model, method, mechanism, process or procedure.
how did either of the Biblical Floods ...

Is majik an acceptable answer?

I hear that's big in the CRP crowd.


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Message 1207 of 2119 (860606)
08-09-2019 2:10 AM
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08-09-2019 12:11 AM


Re: Let's call the subtitle "isostasy"
Less dense floats higher.

How then does Faith keep her brains above the solid iron core?

Non-topic snark hidden.

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : What cha think.


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Message 1232 of 2119 (860883)
08-12-2019 9:14 PM
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08-12-2019 9:04 PM


Re: Basics Faith, basics.
02
+2
04

Except in ternary that is 11.


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Message 1352 of 2119 (868877)
12-19-2019 2:12 PM
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12-19-2019 12:08 PM


Re: Don't you ever dust?
There's that demon devil Gravity, again. Just can't seem to get away from it.

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Message 1599 of 2119 (876885)
05-29-2020 10:55 PM
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05-29-2020 7:30 PM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
You're the one saying there were two separate natures. Based on what?

You prove it!


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Message 1602 of 2119 (876899)
05-30-2020 10:56 AM
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Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
There is only the one nature because of the evidences that JonF, RAZD, PaulK, Percy, edge and others have already provided in this thread.

It's your turn.


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Message 1607 of 2119 (876940)
05-30-2020 4:07 PM
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05-30-2020 12:40 PM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
they are just beliefs painted onto evidences.

So pick one and show us how these scientific facts are just beliefs. Show us *your* evidence that contradicts what has been presented. Show us that "faulty premise" we cannot support.

You're big on spouting words denying our facts but you do not show how/where/why they are wrong.

You want to show us we are wrong? Quit with the big mouth jabbering and present your evidence.


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Message 1609 of 2119 (876949)
05-30-2020 5:19 PM
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05-30-2020 5:00 PM


Re: Layers build slowly over time ... lots of time
You know we have seasons and we *know* the winter/summer cycle is responsible for each ring in a tree. You know we understand how seasons occur. These are demonstrable facts that you cannot deny unless you want to look really stupid like a flat Earther.

What makes you think trees grew in weeks instead of years? What evidence can you present that the ring could result without the winter/summer cycle? Or, what evidence can you present that the yearly cycle was so much faster just a few thousand years ago?


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