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Hyroglyphx
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Message 2461 of 2475 (857832)
07-11-2019 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 2455 by anglagard
07-11-2019 1:47 PM


Re: Real Facts about Sexual Assault
That's because it should.

Then tell that to Jar, not me. He was the one who denied that its a thing.

Given these figures, the default should be believing the accusation or at very least taking it very seriously with the caveat that there is a less than 10% chance an accusation may be false.

Every single accusation should be taken seriously... and every single accusation should be investigated.


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 2462 of 2475 (857836)
07-11-2019 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2461 by Hyroglyphx
07-11-2019 9:01 PM


Re: Real Facts about Sexual Assault
Hyroglyphx writes:

Then tell that to Jar, not me. He was the one who denied that its a thing.

No, jar simply said your interpretation was silly.


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Message 2463 of 2475 (857838)
07-11-2019 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 2458 by Hyroglyphx
07-11-2019 5:02 PM


Re: Bill is no liberal figurehead
Ok have I defended antifa? I have just not attacked them with false accusations.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 2464 of 2475 (857839)
07-11-2019 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 2458 by Hyroglyphx
07-11-2019 5:02 PM


Re: Bill is no liberal figurehead
It isn't an ad hominem if your arguments support my claim. I am not attacking you, I am attacking the arguments you have made. If you have a problem with that, maybe you need to reexamine the arguments you have made.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 2465 of 2475 (857842)
07-12-2019 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 2463 by Theodoric
07-11-2019 10:59 PM


Re: Bill is no liberal figurehead
Ok have I defended antifa? I have just not attacked them with false accusations.

What was the false accusation that I "attacked" them with? Your wording is deliciously ironic


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 2466 of 2475 (857845)
07-12-2019 12:19 AM
Reply to: Message 2464 by Theodoric
07-11-2019 11:23 PM


Re: Bill is no liberal figurehead
It isn't an ad hominem if your arguments support my claim. I am not attacking you, I am attacking the arguments you have made. If you have a problem with that, maybe you need to reexamine the arguments you have made.

No, you attacked me and claimed that I hate women and minorities... because I made the suggestion that an investigatory process is always preferable than just believing in an accusation point blank. And then you just invented out of thin air something about minorities. When did I mention minorities? Its obvious you have this mental checklist of talking points that you're spouting without any actual reason to point at me. As you surely know the power lies in the accusation, not the facts. Just denigrate me as an Alt-Right, woman-hating, minority-hating fascist because I dared to dissent from the tenets of your religion.


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Message 2467 of 2475 (857846)
07-12-2019 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 2452 by Theodoric
07-11-2019 12:47 PM


Moose thinks Hyroglyphx is not "alt-right"
hyro writes:

I'm not Alt-Right

Message 2439

If it quacks like a duck and it walks like a duck.

He seems to think that since he has criticized Trump he can not be alt-right.

I guess maybe he doesn't identify as alt-right but he supports a lot if not most of their positions.

There may be nuance to be considered in message 2439, but I feel considerable but not total agreement with what was said there. My impression is that Hyroglyphx has become considerably less right wing than he was a few years ago. I certainly would NOT file him under "alt-right".

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It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman (as stolen from Chiroptera's signature)

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Message 2468 of 2475 (857915)
07-13-2019 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 2433 by Hyroglyphx
07-10-2019 9:39 PM


Re: Bill is no liberal figurehead
So, no evidence of any wrongdoing, can't name anyone alleged to have committed aggravated perjury, doesn't have a clue as to the structure of the US government, and doesn't know how we found out about Hillary's server.

Pathetic.


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Theodoric
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Message 2469 of 2475 (857996)
07-14-2019 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 2468 by JonF
07-13-2019 10:37 AM


Re: Bill is no liberal figurehead
Classic right wing mindset.
"Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up."

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Chiroptera
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Message 2470 of 2475 (858042)
07-15-2019 10:44 AM


White Nationalists and DNA tests
From yesterday's New York Times:

How White Nationalists See What They Want to See in DNA Tests

White nationalists, as you can imagine, are interested in the results of their own DNA tests. As we all know, those results often result in surprises. Some researchers were curious: if a white nationalist's DNA test indicates non-white ancestry, would they still be willing to post those results on white nationalist message boards? If so, what are the responses of the other white nationalists?

Surprising, many white nationists do post problematic results, and also surprisingly (at least to me), other white supremists are usually supportive, explaining away the results as the inaccuracies inherent in DNA testing or by anti-white conspiracies.

Conclusions the researchers drew:

“Science cannot save us,” Dr. Panofsky said, noting that in the years since he first began working on this study, genetic tests have increasingly been used to encourage the “mainstreamification” of white nationalism. “The political problem of white nationalism needs to be confronted on the level of values and law enforcement,” he said.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Message 2471 of 2475 (858079)
07-15-2019 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 2470 by Chiroptera
07-15-2019 10:44 AM


Re: White Nationalists and DNA tests
In other words, their beliefs about the inferiority of other races springs from within rather than from any facts. We already knew they were wingnuts before the NYT article.

--Percy


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 2472 of 2475 (858083)
07-16-2019 2:25 AM
Reply to: Message 2468 by JonF
07-13-2019 10:37 AM


Re: Bill is no liberal figurehead
So, no evidence of any wrongdoing, can't name anyone alleged to have committed aggravated perjury, doesn't have a clue as to the structure of the US government, and doesn't know how we found out about Hillary's server.

She had sent numerous classified cables through open servers because she's an idiot. The Secretary of State is directly in charge of those cables, especially as they relate to foreign affairs, which were among the trove of malfeasance uncovered. And lastly, the cables were HACKED. That you shift the goalposts because it wasn't at her house but was hacked at the DNC is completely moot. How do you think those emails ended up there? The DNC doesn't have access to that kind of material, but Hilary did. You trying to spin it like no big deal is hilarious. She might as well talk about Area 51 in a Hotmail account... She is, without question, the highest ranking government official to ever leak sensitive information regarding the United States in the history of espionage. The only reason she wasn't hanged and quartered was because there's no reason to assume it was done with deliberate intention of harming the US, but rather, that she's simply a moron.

And this hack, by the way, was also how we now know there was a conspiracy to oust Bernie Sanders by the DNC in favor of Clinton. Your minimization of the event is kind of amusing though.


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 2473 of 2475 (858084)
07-16-2019 2:31 AM
Reply to: Message 2470 by Chiroptera
07-15-2019 10:44 AM


Re: White Nationalists and DNA tests
Surprising, many white nationists do post problematic results, and also surprisingly (at least to me), other white supremists are usually supportive, explaining away the results as the inaccuracies inherent in DNA testing or by anti-white conspiracies.

Was one of those white nationalists named Clayton Bigsby?


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 2474 of 2475 (858086)
07-16-2019 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 2472 by Hyroglyphx
07-16-2019 2:25 AM


Re: Bill is no liberal figurehead
Lots of accusations, no evidence.

The DNC is not Hillary. There was no classified info in the DNC emails. Feel free to post some as evidence for your claims.

I haven't mentioned Sanders so it's obvious I haven't minimized anything. Feel free to quote me.

There is no evidence any of Hillary's emails were leaked or hacked. Feel free to post some.

The classified information on her server was missing the required header indicating it contained classified information. The classified information was marked where it was with (c) , but was not in the top portion. It was in an email way down in the chain. The Secretary of State is very busy, but I see you think she should have read every apparently non- classified email all the way through just in case. That would be, well, moronic.


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Theodoric
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Message 2475 of 2475 (858116)
07-16-2019 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 2472 by Hyroglyphx
07-16-2019 2:25 AM


Re: Bill is no liberal figurehead
The only reason she wasn't hanged and quartered was because there's no reason to assume it was done with deliberate intention of harming the US, but rather, that she's simply a moron.

No. The reason is she did not break the law. If she did do you not think the myriad investigations would have found something? You post lots of accusations but no evidence. I guess your judgment holds more weight than the Republican congress that found nothing.

hat you shift the goalposts because it wasn't at her house but was hacked at the DNC is completely moot.

You did not just move the goal posts you changed the game.

literally the head honcho in charge of the entire intelligence services and armed forces apparatus....

Not true is it?
using AT&T servers

So now it is At&T servers? Do you think she was hacked more or less than US government servers?
And this hack, by the way, was also how we now know there was a conspiracy to oust Bernie Sanders by the DNC in favor of Clinton.

We are talking about Hillary's server not the DNC's. Or is strawman arguments all you have?

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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