Did the Flood really happen?

Both are true, edge. My whole agenda, including the timing, comes from the Bible, and I thlnk I've said before that science does not judge the Bible, the Bible judges science.It's also true that I put the Bible aside when I thlnk about the physical and biological facts, such as the geological column.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Absolutely. Of course.And I ALSO thlnk about the geological and biological facts without reference to it. \Not true. I didn't see the oddness in the interpretation of the geo column at all at first, I stared at it blankly and saw only what science tells us is there. I really had to do some heavy thlnking about it to come to that conclusion, inadequate though of course it is as any kind of scientific thoght. And it had to be thoght through much more than once even to know what I meant by it.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

If I came up with views that oppose the Bible I wouldn't go the way of whatshisname Morton something? Not at first for sure. I'd know it was wrong and i'd keep thlnking because I know the Flood does explain it, I just have to thlnk until I recognize how. if science thlnks all that I know it's very seductive so there's no reason why I couldn't be caught up in it too, and if I had lots and lots of such antiBible thoghts then I suppose I'd throw it out and become an atheist again. Of course. But I wait it out and for the most part what I do come up with is pro Bible and pro Flood so I keep going.Sure I'm a beginner. But my main arguments have been thoght through.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

So here's the part I skipped over: Completely different sediments, straight and flat and all neatly stacked up for miles. For starters. I'd just think to have a better word for it.Well, these ARE facts and I would absurd2 that somebody might have noticed that there's something very odd about them in the context of the standard explanation. Replace? I'm nowhere near such an ambition with these crazy5. I'd be thrilled if anybody like6 that the way the sediments are stacked is a bit on the like105 side in relation to the time periods system. Totally lost me. All I want is another term for "layers" and a comment on whether anybody layers4 the geological column stack of sediments is an unlikely fit with the time periods interpretation. Right, well I didn't start there you know, or maybe you don't. I put together a whole presentation based on the Grand Canyon/Grand Staircase cross section to demonstrate how it all demonstrates a young earth and defies the usual Old Earth interpretations. The tilting of the Supergroup was a necessary way of extending that observation into the basement rocks as formed after the strata were all laid down. So I'll defend it still if I get back to it.Meanwhile this is a different discussion. I was using the term "uniform" to refer to the regularity of the form of the strata as straight flat slabs of separate sedimentary content. Nothing to do with rock as such or its composition or texture etc. Yes I do reject it. Not getting your point. Steno's law refers to original horizontality and that's apparent everywhere there are strata in whatever condition they happen to be.So that seems to come to the end of your post finally.

My agenda comes from the Bible as it is taught by most Protestant evangelicals.I have zip knowledge about or interest in the legal situation.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Thank you for your kind and thoughtful opinion.

Working backward through your posts. Who knows how far I'll get though. No it's not untrue. The dino nests, the footprints, the raindrops, burrows, etc. I'm not sure if that's all on the list: I hypothesized that they occurred during a phase of the rising water when waves and tides came in and went out, leaving sllck wet sediments as they went out. Some creatures were still alive and their footprints and burrows got impressed in the wet sedment which were then preserved when the next wave deposited a new load of sediment on top of them. Same with the raindrops, which I particularly enjoy thlnking about because rain was the initiator of the Flood. The sediment must have had some time to dry a bit while the water was out, so the impressions weren't blurred or erased. The dino nests would have floated, been deposited on the wet sediment, then covered by the next wave.Completely plausible.Yes I did discuss all this at some length as I recall.CheersABE: It's actually not as easy to explain all this on the time periods explanation of millions of years' accumulation of sediments.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I said GEOLOGICAL AND BIOLOGICAL facts I ponder without reference to the Bible.Historical facts HAVE to be determined by the Bible, since secular science is always getting it wrong.

Do those "optimal conditions" include burial under, say, two or three miles of other sediments?

Thank you. And now may I ask how they could possibly know it took so many thousands of years since it's impossible to measure it?Oh but I realize I should have asked WHEN those miles of sediment were deposited on top? All at once as in the Flood or over hundreds of millions of years?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'm criticized for proposing ad hoc explanations. But of course I do, there is nothing else I can do in this situation. But it's also true that all the explanations given in the historical sciences are little more than ad hoc as well. Just made up stuff that got accepted and elaborated which gives it all a status that has no serious scientific basis to it.Cheers.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I've always thoght I did, but could you list a few to be sure? Nothing elaborate, just off the top of your head.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

More llke eight years here, maybe nine, was not here a lot of that time.Cheers.Of course what you mean by how I've learned nothing is that I haven't come around to your way of thlnking. Cuz I've read a lot of books and other stuff about evolution and geology.Happy happy.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I left again around 2006, came back in 2012Books: Jerry Coyne Why Evolution
Five books on Geology including Dr. Adequate's online
One basic geology, one historical geology, two on the Grand Canyon, one YEC the other standard. I moved a couple years ago and all these re still unpacked and I don't even know where they areEdited by Faith, : No reason given.

Or one reads with one's own mind intact, but with a strong critical perspective that sees what's wrong with certain ideas.