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Author Topic:   Did the Flood really happen?
JonF
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Message 237 of 2370 (857732)
07-10-2019 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 236 by Faith
07-10-2019 8:13 PM


Facts, evidence and reason. Give them a try.

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JonF
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Message 254 of 2370 (857774)
07-11-2019 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by Faith
07-10-2019 10:07 PM


Facts, evidence and reason. Give them a try.
See Message 240 "Vexed Problem" above.
I thlnk I have more to address.
Yes, you do.
No facts, evidence and reason in the referenced message. Just an acknowledgement of your lack of evidence.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 256 of 2370 (857777)
07-11-2019 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by mike the wiz
07-11-2019 10:06 AM


PRATTS
Quite the Gish Gallop of PRATTS there.
Flumes are not simulations of open water floods.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 271 of 2370 (857814)
07-11-2019 3:49 PM
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07-11-2019 2:47 PM


Re: Aabsurdity
But the idea should be pretty clear: the standard explanation of the geo column with its fossils violates any reasonable physical explanation, and I've said why many times.
No, you've said so many times. "Why" would mean addressing proffered physical explanations and detailing the fundamental principle(s) and analysis that invalidate those proffered physical explanations.
We all know you are incapable of that for several reasons.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 283 of 2370 (857837)
07-11-2019 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by Pollux
07-11-2019 9:34 PM


Re: Where is the Flood layer?
Thanks. I haven't seen that for years.
http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/Flood%2520geology.pdf

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JonF
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Message 300 of 2370 (857893)
07-12-2019 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by Percy
07-12-2019 5:39 PM


Re: Aabsurdity
Her choice of the word "pondered" rather than any active verb is interesting. To me it strongly implies sitting at home making stuff up.

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JonF
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Message 308 of 2370 (857961)
07-14-2019 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 303 by Faith
07-14-2019 6:33 AM


Re: Aabsurdity
No, but that isn't the particular topic I'm addressing here. I'm merely talking about how I came to my view of the geological column by thlnking about it without any Biblical input, and that really is true
I believe you. Sitting in your chair making stuff up without any reference to the real world or physical limitations.
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JonF
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Message 309 of 2370 (857962)
07-14-2019 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 306 by Faith
07-14-2019 7:40 AM


Re: Aabsurdity
I'm trying to prove the Flood.
You should be trying to find out what happened.

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JonF
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Message 311 of 2370 (857964)
07-14-2019 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 310 by Faith
07-14-2019 8:53 AM


Re: Aabsurdity
as usual I would thlnk it intuitively obvious
WHich is an admission that you have no evidence, you just made it up.

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JonF
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Message 313 of 2370 (857968)
07-14-2019 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 312 by Faith
07-14-2019 9:12 AM


Re: Aabsurdity
It's nice of you to admit your claims are solely Biblically based and do not have anything to do with reality.

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JonF
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Message 320 of 2370 (857975)
07-14-2019 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 315 by Faith
07-14-2019 10:09 AM


Re: Aabsurdity
As you said, your "explanations" are the result of pondering. The fact that you've made less than an infinitesimal number of observations and the fact that so many of them are physically impossible (e.g. picking up ent formations and gently depositing them elsewhere) confirm that your only sources are the Bible and your ignorant fantasies.
Not the real world.

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JonF
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Message 322 of 2370 (857977)
07-14-2019 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 319 by Faith
07-14-2019 10:32 AM


Re: Intuitively Obvious? Really?
. IN ANY CASE the fact that fossilization is rare under normal circumstances is far from accounting for what is actually there
Based on what analysis?
Show your logic and calculations.

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JonF
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Message 330 of 2370 (857987)
07-14-2019 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 328 by Faith
07-14-2019 11:47 AM


Re: honest exploration of physical reality.
Also, most discussions of dating take into account that their year was 360 days long, they added in "leap" time now and then just as we do, and they had a lunar calendar etc
Gibberish. You are confusing what is measured with the arbitrary units we use to quantify the measurements. We describe the age in units of today's years. It doesn't matter what units they used; maybe they used the time between cricket chirps as their base, or the time it took to walk from Jerusalem to Australia. No matter what units you use the Earth is 75,000 times older than you think it is.
I don't know of any system that can legitimately get anywhere near millions of years.
That's because you know nothing of the systems we use.

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JonF
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Message 355 of 2370 (858027)
07-15-2019 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 354 by Faith
07-15-2019 7:49 AM


Re: Lithification
Yes.

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JonF
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Message 358 of 2370 (858030)
07-15-2019 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 356 by Faith
07-15-2019 7:59 AM


Re: Lithification
We know the reactions and how fast they proceed under various circumstances. The laws of physics haven't changed so it is a simple calculation.
When doesn't matter much. Just that there is pressure.
Temperature is more important than pressure. Temperature high enough to speed up the process significantly produces a different result, so we can tell

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