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Author Topic:   Did the Flood really happen?
JonF
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Message 359 of 2370 (858031)
07-15-2019 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 357 by Faith
07-15-2019 8:33 AM


Nobody accepts ad hoc fantasies in science. You know nothing of the evidence and analysis that led to the mainstream theories.

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JonF
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Message 364 of 2370 (858037)
07-15-2019 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 360 by jar
07-15-2019 8:54 AM


Re: Lithification
Were you there?

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JonF
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Message 365 of 2370 (858038)
07-15-2019 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 361 by Faith
07-15-2019 9:30 AM


A few can't convey any sense of the situation. A lot is too much to ask in this medium. But it's all readily available and presented better than I could.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 366 of 2370 (858040)
07-15-2019 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 363 by Faith
07-15-2019 9:42 AM


You may have read a lot but you've made it clear you've absorbed nothing.
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Morton's demon sits at the front of the mind and filters incoming ideas, only letting in those with which the person agrees and blocking the rest. This is much more powerful than any system where the ideas are tested for compliance by the mind and then rejected - they don't even get considered in the first place.

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JonF
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Message 368 of 2370 (858045)
07-15-2019 11:37 AM
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07-15-2019 10:48 AM


Re: Lithification
Of course you do. See Ken Ham or Kent Hovind.

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JonF
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Message 376 of 2370 (858065)
07-15-2019 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 372 by Faith
07-15-2019 1:07 PM


No, that's not it in your case. You don't know the terminology and when you're asked to explain what's wrong you merely repeat your claims

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JonF
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Message 399 of 2370 (858189)
07-18-2019 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 397 by Faith
07-18-2019 9:19 AM


Re: the UK diagram
As usual not a single reference to real world evidence.
The result of being under water

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JonF
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Message 412 of 2370 (858208)
07-18-2019 10:59 AM
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07-18-2019 10:51 AM


Re: the UK diagram
Water saturation would cause expansion and contraction here and there.

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JonF
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Message 419 of 2370 (858220)
07-18-2019 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 414 by Faith
07-18-2019 11:06 AM


Re: honest exploration of physical reality.
I was clear exactly when and where I make observations of phenomena that are not dictated by the Bible.
You haven't made any observations. You've posted lots of ridiculous physically impossible opinions.
Being a YEC is incompatible with reality. Pick one.

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JonF
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Message 431 of 2370 (858239)
07-18-2019 3:00 PM
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07-18-2019 2:13 PM


Re: Did the Flood sort the strata ?
The trace fossils should be found in a place where the Flood would have overtaken and buried them.
Which, of course, would not produce the order we see. E.g. grasses grow pretty much everywhere. Yet their pollen is only found in relatively high parts of the fossil record, starting around the layers we measure as 70 million years old

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JonF
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Message 475 of 2370 (858417)
07-20-2019 9:58 AM
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07-19-2019 7:03 PM


Re: Granite example missed the point
That's not an answer.
What process transported that boulder by what action(s)?

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JonF
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Message 482 of 2370 (858448)
07-20-2019 2:28 PM


This version may be a little clearer.

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JonF
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Message 504 of 2370 (858560)
07-21-2019 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 503 by Faith
07-21-2019 8:37 PM


Re: honest exploration of physical reality.
"Assumption" seems right to me; something accepted without proof.
The evidence is the best evidence. All of it demands explanation and discussion of why it supports a particular interpretation.
Derogatory comments on the mainstream explanation are irrelevant, even though you have nothing else. Claims of impossibility are meaningless without demonstration why it's impossible. Rejecting explanations out of hand doesn't say anything about their viability.
As to your interpretation, it's clear that your claim it's supported by the evidence is wishful thinking. You can never explain why the evidence supports your interpretation. Without that explanation you're just blowing smoke out a lower orifice and nobody will be convinced. All your arguments boil down to "I don't know how it could have happened but I can't be wrong about the fludde".
You're human. You can be wrong. No matter how many times you say you can't.

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JonF
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Message 507 of 2370 (858586)
07-22-2019 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 505 by Faith
07-21-2019 8:57 PM


Re: honest exploration of physical reality.
The derogatory comments are pointless derogatory comments. Calling something impossible or ridiculous without discussion is not analysis or argument. None of what you post is analysis or argument.
E.g. the without a discussion of exactly *how* the fludde sorted the fossils and how the coral reefs and paleosols wound up as they did you don't have the best explanation; you have no explanation.
But tell us about the "contortions" in mainstream explanations. What are those contort and what (other than your opinion) makes them unrealistic? Got any analysis or argument?

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JonF
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Message 514 of 2370 (858622)
07-22-2019 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 512 by Faith
07-22-2019 12:41 PM


Re: Maybe just a few explanations of how either Biblical Flood did ...
I explained the problems several pages back. Of course you ignored it.
A coral reef is brittle and significantly heavier than water. To pick it up you need to apply nearly identical upward force over the entire extent at the same time. Otherwise it will crack where it isn't being pushed upward or where the force varies significantly.
Water pressure is hydrostatic. That means that it pushes equally in all directions. It doesn't pick stuff up.
So you need to break off the attachment of the reef to its substrate, get water under all the reef, and get that water to produce a constant upward fotce over the entire extent of the reef at the same time. That requires the water to act in a manner unknown to modern science... and we know a lot about water.
Start by explaining how the reef was detached. Then explain what forces lifted it without cracking and exactly how those forces were generated.
Once you've failed miserably at that we can move on to the much more difficult problem of transportation.
(Fast moving water above the reef would produce an upward force per Bernoulli, which would rip the reef apart).
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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