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Faith 
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Message 361 of 2370 (858033)
07-15-2019 9:30 AM
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07-15-2019 8:49 AM


You know nothing of the evidence and analysis that led to the mainstream theories.
I've always thoght I did, but could you list a few to be sure? Nothing elaborate, just off the top of your head.
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Theodoric
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Message 362 of 2370 (858035)
07-15-2019 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 361 by Faith
07-15-2019 9:30 AM


18 years here and you have learned nothing.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Faith 
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Message 363 of 2370 (858036)
07-15-2019 9:42 AM
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07-15-2019 9:34 AM


More llke eight years here, maybe nine, was not here a lot of that time.
Cheers.
Of course what you mean by how I've learned nothing is that I haven't come around to your way of thlnking. Cuz I've read a lot of books and other stuff about evolution and geology.
Happy happy.
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JonF
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Message 364 of 2370 (858037)
07-15-2019 9:49 AM
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07-15-2019 8:54 AM


Re: Lithification
Were you there?

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JonF
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Message 365 of 2370 (858038)
07-15-2019 9:52 AM
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07-15-2019 9:30 AM


A few can't convey any sense of the situation. A lot is too much to ask in this medium. But it's all readily available and presented better than I could.
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JonF
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Message 366 of 2370 (858040)
07-15-2019 10:02 AM
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07-15-2019 9:42 AM


You may have read a lot but you've made it clear you've absorbed nothing.
quote:
Morton's demon sits at the front of the mind and filters incoming ideas, only letting in those with which the person agrees and blocking the rest. This is much more powerful than any system where the ideas are tested for compliance by the mind and then rejected - they don't even get considered in the first place.

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jar
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Message 367 of 2370 (858043)
07-15-2019 10:48 AM
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07-15-2019 9:49 AM


Re: Lithification
Do I need to have been there or might there be other ways I could determine how much time passed?

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios My Website: My Website

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JonF
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Message 368 of 2370 (858045)
07-15-2019 11:37 AM
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07-15-2019 10:48 AM


Re: Lithification
Of course you do. See Ken Ham or Kent Hovind.

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Theodoric
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Message 369 of 2370 (858046)
07-15-2019 11:38 AM
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07-15-2019 9:42 AM


More llke eight years here, maybe nine,
Interesting. According to your profile you joined on 10-06-2001. Did you assume someone elses profile.
There are a few posts under this name in 2001 and then a lot starting in 2005. Even if we ignore 2001 there have been regular posts under this name for 15 years.
Cuz I've read a lot of books and other stuff about evolution and geology.
Name some.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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PaulK
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Message 370 of 2370 (858049)
07-15-2019 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 352 by Faith
07-15-2019 7:32 AM


Re: Dino nests, footprints, raindrops etc.
quote:
Completely plausible.
That makes the whole post look like a joke.
quote:
I hypothesized that they occurred during a phase of the rising water when waves and tides came in and went out, leaving sllck wet sediments as they went out.
And at what point in the Flood is that plausible ? The initial Flood is supposed to have covered the mountains.
And is it really plausible that “slick wet sediments” would look like desert deposits ? Or that the time between the “waves” would allow dinosaurs to mate, build nests and for the eggs to hatch?
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Some creatures were still alive and their footprints and burrows got impressed in the wet sedment which were then preserved when the next wave deposited a new load of sediment on top of them.
It doesn’t exactly seem likely that a Flood covering the mountains would leave many dinosaurs alive. Add in the fact that Genesis 7:21-23 seems to indicate that everything died then - and your own proposal the the pre-Flood world was completely annihilated and I’d say that that doesn’t seem plausible at all.

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Faith 
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Message 371 of 2370 (858051)
07-15-2019 12:48 PM
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07-15-2019 11:38 AM


I left again around 2006, came back in 2012
Books: Jerry Coyne Why Evolution
Five books on Geology including Dr. Adequate's online
One basic geology, one historical geology, two on the Grand Canyon, one YEC the other standard. I moved a couple years ago and all these re still unpacked and I don't even know where they are
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Faith 
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Message 372 of 2370 (858052)
07-15-2019 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 366 by JonF
07-15-2019 10:02 AM


Or one reads with one's own mind intact, but with a strong critical perspective that sees what's wrong with certain ideas.

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ringo
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Message 373 of 2370 (858055)
07-15-2019 1:10 PM
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07-15-2019 1:07 PM


Faith writes:
Or one reads with one's own mind intact, but with a strong critical perspective that sees what's wrong with certain ideas.
anglagard's signature:
quote:
Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Faith 
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Message 374 of 2370 (858056)
07-15-2019 1:16 PM
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07-15-2019 1:10 PM


Yes, weigh and consider, that's what the critical mind does.

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ringo
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Message 375 of 2370 (858058)
07-15-2019 1:20 PM
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07-15-2019 1:16 PM


Faith writes:
Yes, weigh and consider, that's what the critical mind does.
And your mind just dismisses,

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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