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Chiroptera
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Message 3045 of 4573 (858044)
07-15-2019 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 3044 by JonF
07-14-2019 4:50 PM


Prominent Republicans are ok with racism
From The Guardian:
Republicans silent as Trump renews racist attack on congresswomen
A few Republicans have come out to criticize Trump's remarks that the Democratic progressive women of color should "go back to where they came from."
Justin Amash, the Michigan congressman who has left the party in protest of the Trump presidency, called the tweets “racist and disgusting”. Amash’s parents are Palestinian and Syrian. Mia Love, who lost her seat in Utah last year and is African American, told CNN: “It has to stop. I always feel like I’m not part of the ”America First’ that he goes out and he talks about all the time.”
Commentators from the Never Trump wing of the party were swift to condemn the president. Charlie Sykes, an editor at the Bulwark website, wrote: “There was a time when GOPers like Paul Ryan, Lindsey Graham, Nikki Haley, Jeff Flake, even Reince [Priebus] would have denounced this kind of racism. Who will speak out now? Will any elected Republican push back?”
But most who hold elected offices and those who have some political clout remain silent.
Such senior party figures, among them Utah senator Mitt Romney, a frequent critic of the president, were silent. Some, such as Graham, instead devoted media appearances to defending Trump over images from the southern border of migrant men held in cages amid what one reporter called “sweltering” heat and “horrific” stench.’
Republicans: it's more important to defend holding human beings in filthy, standing room only cages than it is to defend fellow Americans from racist slurs.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 3050 of 4573 (858060)
07-15-2019 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 3049 by Percy
07-15-2019 1:30 PM


Seein' the tweets
I can't see the tweets using the Duck Duck Go browser. Probably has something to do with the built in privacy features, and there may not be anything you can do about it.
They do show up when I use Chrome.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 3058 of 4573 (858090)
07-16-2019 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 3045 by Chiroptera
07-15-2019 11:13 AM


Re: Prominent Republicans are ok with racism
From The New York Times:
Trump’s Aides, Not Eager to Defend His Tweets, Also Don’t Condemn Them
This main thrust of this article is to describe how, even if uncomfortable in private over Trump's overt racism, in public cabinet appointees and aids refuse to condemn it.
But what I found interesting:
More frustrating to many internally, they said, was that Mr. Trump interrupted an intraparty Democratic fight between Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the freshman congresswomen known as “the squad” by uniting them against a common enemy in the White House.
Intending to rally the support of his white nationalist base, Trump's tweet may have the unintended effect of uniting the Democrats and taking their current fight out of the headlines.
In that regard, now that the spotlight is no longer shining on them I hope the Democrats can work out some kind of accommodation with each other.
Edited by Chiroptera, : Who are "they"?

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 3059 of 4573 (858092)
07-16-2019 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 3056 by Percy
07-16-2019 10:24 AM


Re: They really are addressing only the terminally bewildered
If anyone knows what Trump is referring to when he says the Congresswomen "have been spewing some of the most vile, hateful, and disgusting things ever said by a politician in the House or Senate", please enlighten us.
"Conservatives are wrong." The Right Wing seems to view that as hate speech.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 3060 of 4573 (858104)
07-16-2019 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 3059 by Chiroptera
07-16-2019 10:58 AM


Re: They really are addressing only the terminally bewildered
Ha! I'm not the only one!
From The Guardian:
Trump accuses the members of Congress of not loving the USA. The members might reply that their whole point was that a great country like the United States can do better than caging children. But in Trump’s rubric criticism amounts to treason.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn’t know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 3085 of 4573 (858425)
07-20-2019 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 3083 by Theodoric
07-20-2019 7:04 AM


Well, to be fair, I didn't get it either.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 3109 of 4573 (858773)
07-23-2019 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 3108 by JonF
07-23-2019 1:51 PM


Re: Remember the raids on millions of illegal aliens?
I don’t know of any other population where people are telling them how to avoid arrest as a result of illegal activity, [Albence] said. It certainly makes it harder for us to effectuate these orders issued.
I'm pretty sure that's what they said about the Underground Railroad, too.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 3133 of 4573 (858966)
07-26-2019 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 3129 by Trump won
07-25-2019 9:33 PM


Re: Global Conspiracy from Both Sides
I think the pinnacle was when [Obama] forced nuns to perform abortions.
lol wut?

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 3154 of 4573 (859124)
07-28-2019 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 3150 by JonF
07-28-2019 1:55 PM


Yeah, bizarre. They had a religious objection to officially stating their religious objection.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 3161 of 4573 (859233)
07-29-2019 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 3160 by JonF
07-29-2019 8:07 PM


Re: Nazis go gaga for Trump's racism
But remember kids: it's the Democrats who have an anti-Semitism problem!

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 3170 of 4573 (859628)
08-02-2019 11:06 AM


I apologize for being a Paul Krugman fanboy
This morning's column by Paul Krugman:
Why Was Trumponomics a Flop?
In which he points out that Trump's "signature" economic accomplishments have been a whole lot of nothing.
To be fair, the economy remains pretty strong, which isn’t really a surprise given the G.O.P.’s willingness to run huge budget deficits as long as Democrats don’t hold the White House. As I wrote three days after the 2016 election after the shock had worn off It’s at least possible that bigger budget deficits will, if anything, strengthen the economy briefly. And that’s pretty much what happened: There was a bit of a bump in 2018, but at this point we’ve basically returned to pre-Trump rates of growth.
He's pretty caustic about Republicans' continued magical belief in tax cuts even though experience shows that in the list of things that businesses take into account in their investment decisions, tax cuts are way down in the list:
The record is actually awesomely consistent. Bill Clinton’s tax hike didn’t cause a depression, George W. Bush’s tax cuts didn’t deliver a boom, Jerry Brown’s California tax increase wasn’t economic suicide, Sam Brownback’s Kansas tax-cut experiment (his term) was a failure.
Finally:
On the other hand, think of the missed opportunities. Imagine how much better shape we’d be in if the hundreds of billions squandered on tax cuts for corporations had been used to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. Imagine what we could have done with policies promoting jobs of the future in things like renewable energy, instead of trade wars that vainly attempt to recreate the manufacturing economy of the past.
My favorite, though, was this comment by someone who signed themselves "M":
I don’t know why Krugman thinks that the notion of tax cuts is a zombie idea. Tax cuts actually work very well for the people who are actually represented by Republicans in Congress, namely the very wealthy and large corporate donors. It’s not that Republicans believe in a idea that’s false. Republicans believe in a idea that serves a very narrow group of Americans very well. For the rest of their base? A tweet about AOC should hold them for a couple of days.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 3202 of 4573 (860930)
08-13-2019 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 3200 by JonF
08-13-2019 4:05 PM


Re: He goes downhill every day.
And they don’t even want our wheat....
This doesn't even make sense. Japan is a capitalist country. It would be private businesses buying that wheat. Businesses that need to make a profit. They wouldn't be buying stuff that they couldn't sell at a profit.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 3225 of 4573 (861484)
08-22-2019 7:47 AM


Republicans hate deficits...
...as long as it's the Democrats in charge.
From the New York Times:
Budget Deficit on Path to Surpass $1 Trillion Under Trump
Democrats in charge: deficits come down, but Republicans scream about out of control spending.
Republican in charge: budget deficit explodes, Republicans now remarkably complaisant.
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 3232 of 4573 (861533)
08-22-2019 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 3231 by Percy
08-22-2019 7:19 PM


Re: Is there any idiocy he can't get away with
Accurate headlines about Trump should be pretty easy. It would just be, "HOLY SHIT!" every time.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 3275 of 4573 (862056)
08-30-2019 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 3274 by JonF
08-30-2019 7:19 PM


Re: Trump wants to kill the furrin kids
Well, those are actual children, not fetuses. Don't expect conservatives to care.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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