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JonF
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Message 3046 of 4573 (858047)
07-15-2019 11:43 AM


More blatant illegality
Trump expands executive overreach - ends asylum protections for migrants in Central America coming to US
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In a new and expansive executive action President Donald Trump has created a new rule that ends asylum protections for migrants traveling from Central America to the United States.
Those seeking asylum who pass through another country before applying for U.S. asylum will be deemed automatically ineligible for asylum protections.
They really are implacably opposed to the rule of law.

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Message 3054 of 4573 (858074)
07-15-2019 4:22 PM


Diplomats throwing shade

Oh, BTW we agree with Sir Kim Darroch about Trump.

  
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Message 3055 of 4573 (858076)
07-15-2019 7:18 PM


Neo-Nazi thinks Trump goes too far
Even neo-Nazis think Trump’s racism ”goes too far sometimes’: Investigative reporter
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An investigative reporter that has embedded with neo-Nazis and Klan members explained Monday that President Donald Trump’s language echoes what these far-right groups have been saying for years.
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“He believes the policies he’s trying to implement, it’s been said to me at Nazi barbecues and Klan rallies, these are the things they wanted to happen,” Tenold continued.
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He explained that when Trump says things like this, these groups love it.
“These are the things they have wanted for a long time,” he said.” I have neo-Nazi Matthew Heimbach, he told me the president goes too far sometimes. That Donald Trump is more racist than him. We’re at a point where Trump is more racist than neo-Nazis.”

  
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Message 3057 of 4573 (858089)
07-16-2019 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 3056 by Percy
07-16-2019 10:24 AM


He's referring to the vRe: They really are addressing only the terminally bewildered
He's referring to the voices in his head.

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Message 3061 of 4573 (858111)
07-16-2019 4:23 PM


The Daily Stormer is available only on the Dark Web. No regular hosting provider in the world would accept their filth.
They should know about white supremacy.

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Message 3062 of 4573 (858118)
07-16-2019 9:33 PM
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07-16-2019 4:23 PM


More from the White supremacists:
But Richard Spencer thinks Trump doesn't follow through enough:

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Message 3063 of 4573 (858171)
07-17-2019 9:11 PM


It's clear that Trump's re-election strategy will be hate, fomenting fear, and racism.
‘It’s so un-American’: Internet scorches Trump supporters for racist chants of ‘Send her back!’

  
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Message 3075 of 4573 (858287)
07-19-2019 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 3073 by Trump won
07-19-2019 12:46 AM


A particularly vile lie. Nobody is or has been making money from abortion. The money that was transferred was recompense for expenses. But nobody's doing even that any more so as to remove the rationale for that lie.
But Evangelical Christianity has abandoned the Ten Commandments and Jesus.

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Message 3084 of 4573 (858421)
07-20-2019 10:17 AM


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JonF
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Message 3089 of 4573 (858547)
07-21-2019 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 3087 by marc9000
07-21-2019 5:37 PM


No he's looking for an oligarchy.
Which of the many varieties of socialism do the Democratic candidates embrace?
ABE did you notice the alleged actions you listed are the antithesis of socialism or communism? Except for the armed citizenry.
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Message 3090 of 4573 (858609)
07-22-2019 11:42 AM


C-SPAN caller poisoned by Trump says congresswomen in The Squad own ’27 million black African slaves’
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The four whatever they’re called, the group you know, those people, they ascribe to an ideology that has 27 million black African slaves owned by them in their country, she stated. And that’s currently, not 150 years ago. That’s not then, but that’s now.
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Message 3091 of 4573 (858610)
07-22-2019 11:43 AM


C-SPAN caller poisoned by Trump says congresswomen in The Squad own ’27 million black African slaves’
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The four whatever they’re called, the group you know, those people, they ascribe to an ideology that has 27 million black African slaves owned by them in their country, she stated. And that’s currently, not 150 years ago. That’s not then, but that’s now.

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Message 3099 of 4573 (858672)
07-22-2019 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 3094 by marc9000
07-22-2019 3:16 PM


To most people a hammer and sickle represents the USSR, not Trump.
The Trump administration has officially argued there is no such thing as congressional oversight. They have often threatened to ignore the Judicial branch, and the reason they are losing in court at unprecedented rates is not activist judges but rather the many blatantly illegal policies they've tried to implement (e.g. the new asylum policy:even the Border Patrol is expecting it to be knocked down; Acting Head Of Customs And Border Protection Says New Asylum Rule In 'Pilot' Phase : NPR) and the many legal requirements for implementing policies. Even when Republicans held the House and Senate he's ruled by executive order.
I agree Trump is not trying to be a socialist or communist. There are other forms of tyranny. No matter what you label it Trump’s destroying our entire system. Maybe oligarchy is the wrong word. We're looking at a new Gilded Age. Rich old white men and their corporations in charge and the proles, armed or not, don't get uppity. Have you noticed that "less regulation" benefits business and harms the country (hey, who needs breathable air or drinlawater, amirite?) And that "more free marketing" (like tarrifs?) benefits business and may or may not benefit the country. There are lots of areas where free marketing doesn't work (health care) and lots of places the administration is anti-free-market (social networking companies, coal subsidies, farmer subsidies to make up for trade war losses ).
Here's what a free-market economist has to say:Opinion: Why free-market economists aren’t impressed with Trump’s deregulation efforts - MarketWatch

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JonF
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Message 3104 of 4573 (858716)
07-23-2019 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 3102 by marc9000
07-22-2019 10:34 PM


The Trump administration has officially argued there is no such thing as congressional oversight.
What's your source for that - looks like fake news to me. I suspect that was twisted and distorted out of a comment of his that a congress focused on NOTHING but bringing down a president needs to have its "congressional oversight" reigned in from time to time.
The House has passed 200 bills, several of them major (E.g. HR1). It's the Senate that's doing no legislating.
On checking, I find that I did overstate the case. The official argument is that there's no Congressional oversight of the President. On the subject of the requirment that there must be some legislative purpose for a subpoena.
5 Takeaways From Oral Arguments On House Subpoena Of Trump’s Accountant - TPM – Talking Points Memo
quote:
William Consovoy, the lawyer who is representing Trump and his family, doubled down on arguments made at the lower court that Congress has essentially no oversight authority over the President. He also suggested that almost any law that seeks to address ethical issues with the presidency would be considered unconstitutional.
The breadth of Consovoy’s arguments at times took the judges aback.
Imagine, in the future, you have the most corrupt president in humankind, openly flaunting it, what law could Congress pass? Judge Patricia Millett, an Obama appointee asked.
I think it’s very hard to think of one, Consovoy responded.
Here is the Wikipedia chart that shows all presidential use of the executive order.
Yes, it's in line with other's use. But we need to compare his executive orders to his (essentially nil) legislative achievements.
We have most all Democrat presidential candidates promising to give free health care to illegal immigrants, we have a Muslim, America hating congresswoman with a turbine wrapped around her head that the news media adores, every Democrat presidential candidate agrees that we're going to have to make serious changes in our lifestyles to combat climate change, and you're worried about Trump destroying our entire system?
Yes. No congresswoman hates America or is antisemitic. Climate change is going to fuck us good because Republicans refuse to do anything.
When the public voluntarily buys the products and services that business provides, it doesn't harm the country.
Most of the rollbacks lessen worker safety and antipollution protections. Dead people don't purchase.
We HAVE breathable air and drinkable water. But we also have special interests who have a financial stake in selling fear about those things.
Yes. Although the air has gotten a little worse in the past two years. Wait until the effect of deregulation really kicks in.
There are liberal free market economists. Trump won on many issues, and one of them was his claim that foreign countries have been taking advantage of the U.S. for too long. Even if his new ideas on tariffs have short term challenges, I for one am willing to see how his ideas work, compared to the ideas of the former swamp dwellers who have spent us $22 trillion in debt.
So you didn't bother to read the article or research the author.
Trump's proposed 2020 budget increases the debt by five trillion. Between his inauguration and the debt passing 22 trillion he added 2.1 trillion. Less than Obama over a comparable time, but Obama was dealing with a crashed economy and Trump was dealing with a reasonably healthy economy. The tax cuts for the rich didn't trickle down, as usual, and are adding significantly to the debt. Trump promised to eliminate the debt in eight years. Obviously he's well on his way to that goal.
Trump is abysmally ignorant of foreign policy and global economics. Nobody'd taking any significant advantage of us economically. So far his only effect has been alienating our allies.

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JonF
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Message 3108 of 4573 (858771)
07-23-2019 1:51 PM


Remember the raids on millions of illegal aliens?
Turns out they happened.
35 arrested in ICE operation that targeted 2,000
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Acting ICE Director Matthew Albence acknowledged the numbers were low in an interview with the Times on Monday, telling the paper, I don’t know of any other population where people are telling them how to avoid arrest as a result of illegal activity, he said. It certainly makes it harder for us to effectuate these orders issued.
You didn’t hear ICE talking about it before the operation was taking place, he told the Times.
Translation of the last line:"Thanks, Trump!"
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