Did the Flood really happen?

Christians HERE? Who said that to you?

Wouldn't one expect the trace fossils to occur in the strata where the creature that made them got overtaken by the Flood?

Yes, Christians here. Don't remember the name but from England, Buz for another, you quite a few times.As I have often said, the greatest threat today in the US is Fundamental Christianity.

No, one would expect to find fossils in the area near where they died.

Said you should be shot? You can't just accuse people of something like that without evidence.

The trace fossils should be found in a place where the Flood would have overtaken and buried them.

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Wouldn't one expect the trace fossils to occur in the strata where the creature that made them got overtaken by the Flood?

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I wouldn’t expect the Flood to sort all the other dinosaurs - including the ones that died earlier or later - into the same groups of strata. That’s the point.So which is it. Did the Flood sort the fossils or does the order of the fossils represent the order of death ? I can’t see either option working for you.

That's what Walther's Law says should happen, that lateral movement of depositional environments across a landscape will leave behind horizontal strata. No, you have to find some facts. A thesaurus website suggests synonyms for "absurd" like crazy, foolish, goofy, illogical, irrational, laughable, ludicrous, nonsensical, preposterous, silly, stupid, unreasonable and wacky, but inability to find the right word isn't your problem. Your inability to find facts supporting your views is your problem. Since you're the one who noticed there's something very odd about the strata, why don't you tell us what that is? And can you describe for us the evidence and chain of logic that leads to this conclusion? Stop seeking new ad hominem. No one thinks your ideas have any merit, and most of them are impossible anyway.Would you please stop messing with your disallowed words? And little of it fit the evidence and most of it wasn't even possible. It's part of showing that the Flood really happened. We're back to it, so defend it. How did the Supergroup tilt while deeply buried without disturbing the overlying layers, and where did the cubic miles of missing rock go? No you were not using the term "uniform" that way. You're gaslighting again. What you said was "straight strata often of a single more-or-less single uniform sediment." But the sediment isn't uniform, as I showed with the sandstone image. It's not singular, either, as there is there can be blending at the interface between strata, interbedding, for just one example.It's already been explained many times how floods do not deposit sediments and fossils in anything that resembles the geologic column.And how do all the strata that are not straight and flat show us that the Flood really happened? Because... I was pretty sure you wouldn't get this one, let me try again.In general, land increases in elevation the further you get from the coast, right? It might look flat and horizontal at the coast, but it's actually tilted slightly upward away from the sea. For example, the elevation of land at the New Hampshire seacoast is zero, but if you travel inland a hundred miles the elevation might be 500 feet. So obviously the land is tilted slightly upward away from the sea. With me so far?Therefore, if there's a transgressing sea pressing slowly inland over thousands of years and depositing sediments whose type depends upon distance from shore and in a way in accordance with Walther's Law, the boundary between the land and the sediments deposited upon that land would also have to be tilted. It couldn't be horizontal.How much different would it be from the horizontal? That would vary greatly, because the land doesn't actually rise in elevation smoothly and continuously from the sea. There are hills and valleys and plains and so forth. But the bottom line is original horizontality will not happen when sediments are deposited on already existing land, and we see this in the strata, such as the boundary between the Muav and Redwall Limestone in this diagram of the Grand Canyon strata: The other point that's difficult to grasp is that the tilt of layers cannot be seen from all angles. If you view a cross section parallel to the coastline then there will be no tilt. The more the viewing angle deviates from parallel to the coastline the more the tilt will be apparent. Also, the tilt and other irregularities will often only be apparent over great distances. As I said, here in New Hampshire the land rises only about 500 feet over a distance of a hundred miles. This isn't a tilt that would be apparent visually, just as it is not readily apparent at most places around the Grand Canyon.If this still isn't clear just let me know, or maybe someone else can explain it more clearly.--Percy

Sorry, not following you.

It’s really simple. The order of the fossil record is the same whether we’re talking about trace fossils or physical remains.Now, if some dinosaur remains were sorted by the Flood, why would those remains end up in the strata where we find dinosaur tracks ? Likewise for other creatures. If the order is the product of two separate mechanisms why would they agree ?But if there was only one mechanism, which is it ? Sorting by the Flood, or just the order of deaths ?

Which, of course, would not produce the order we see. E.g. grasses grow pretty much everywhere. Yet their pollen is only found in relatively high parts of the fossil record, starting around the layers we measure as 70 million years old

YEC means "young earth creationist." They base their beliefs entirely only their fallible human interpretation (with inevitably must be wrong since they are, after all, fallible humans) of what they think that the Bible says. Just being a YEC does not require you to not talk about the Bible, since what you have fallibly interpreted about the Bible is the sole basis for your position and beliefs.Then there's a subset of YEC which is "creation science" (CS). CS is a deliberately crafted deception designed to circumvent court decisions in the early 70's which no longer allowed religious reasons for barring of the teaching of evolution in the public schools. So with CS, the YECs scrubbed their materials of all overt biblical references (AKA "the game of 'Hide the Bible'") and explicit Christian terminology (eg, God became "some undefined Creator (wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean?") and pretended to the courts and to the general public that CS had nothing to do with religion and that they opposed evolution "for purely scientific reasons".It is CS that requires creationists to pretend to use science and "scientific evidences" to support their claims and to falsely claim that their claims do not rely on the Bible. Not only are CS claims blatantly and transparently false, but CSists' position is made even more worse by their general lack of knowledge about science (AKA ignnurance).So Percy is not asking you to stop being a YEC (even though that would be of immense benefit to you), but rather to stop doing "creation science."

Well, if I thought today's Fundamental Christians worth the effort I'd search back to find the posts. But they aren't.I did find it and the member was iano in Message 102.Classic Fundamental Christian call to violence.Like saying folk should be strangled.Edited by jar, : found the post.

There was no flood.

Correct me if I'm wrong (geology not my strong suit) but this column is specific to an area, they can be different in different places, and they could include all the rock layers down to molten core.

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A stratigraphic column is a representation used in geology and its subfield of stratigraphy to describe the vertical location of rock units in a particular area. A typical stratigraphic column shows a sequence of sedimentary rocks, with the oldest rocks on the bottom and the youngest on top.

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In areas that are more geologically complex, such as those that contain intrusive rocks, faults, and/or metamorphism, stratigraphic columns can still indicate the relative locations of these units with respect to one another. However, in these cases, the stratigraphic column must either be a structural column, in which the units are stacked with respect to how they are observed in the field to have been moved by the faults, or a time column, in which the units are stacked in the order in which they were formed.

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Stratigraphy is a branch of geology that concerns the order and relative position of geologic strata and their relationship to the geologic time scale. The relative time sequencing requires the analysis of the order and position of layers of archaeological remains and the structure of a particular set of strata.

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Stratigraphic column of the Grand Canyon, Arizona, United States. ​ By http://www.nature.nps.gov/geology/parks/grca/age/image_popup/yardstickstratcolumn.png, Public Domain, https://www.evcforum.net/PresentHTML.php?control=html&s= dbcodes&title=dBCodesttps://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=3696938

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The columns can include igneous and metamorphic rocks, however, sedimentary rocks are important geologically because of Classical Laws of Geology and how they relate to the accumulation of sediments and the formation of sedimentary environments. Lithology is a study of bedrock that occurs at a specific location. The strata may contain fossils which aid in determining how old they are and geologist's understanding of sequence and timing. Geologists group together similar lithologies, and call these larger sedimentary sequence formations.

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