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Phat Member Posts: 14944 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I just got Lee Strobels newest book free on my Amazon Kindle. I know how the skeptics--especially that smug crew at Internet Infidels--loves to demean and minimise Strobel, but he makes a decent argument and many on the "other side" support his argument. Critics can and will say what they want to be true. William Lane Craig is as smart as any of them and he gives a good review...so im open to hearing the pro and con arguments. As I read the book I will comment here.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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PaulK Member Posts: 16723 Joined: Member Rating: 3.1
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Strobel is known for throwing softball questions at people who agree with him. While he usually goes to people with genuine expertise he is willing to set even that aside in the name of cherry-picking.
You will not find a decent look at the pros and cons in one of Strobel’s books - by intent. I very much doubt that any on the “other side†actually think that Strobel has very good arguments. Indeed, if he did, why is his presentation so one-sided ?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 7051 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
Lee Strobel's books are intended for the weak minded. Each one has been eviscerated by critical reviewers.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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jar Member Posts: 33175 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Great business plan since there is one born (again even) every minute; over a half million new customers every year.
Edited by jar, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 16723 Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
The DRC is struggling with measles and Ebola.Ars Technica
The pastor began experiencing Ebola symptoms while he was in Butembo, nevertheless he travelled back to Goma, where he was fortunately diagnosed before he could do more to spread the disease.
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PaulK Member Posts: 16723 Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
Sadly, the infected pastor has since died. His contacts are being monitored and we may hope that he did not pass the infection on.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8066 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.3 |
The case for miracles is very, very easy to make. A miracle is god intervening in our physical world. So your job is just to show us a couple or three that stand up to the scrutiny of physical testing.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Sarah Bellum Member Posts: 700 Joined: |
The Snodgrass miracle, proving that God is a Red Sox fan.
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Phat Member Posts: 14944 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Tangle Member Posts: 8066 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.3
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Weird how you've suddenly gone all loony tunes on us. You've joined the ranks of the idiots that make themselves feel self-important by talking crap to others too stupid to call you out on it.
You guys really get off on this sort of shit don't you? Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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ringo Member Posts: 18865 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
You really should stop using "satan" as an excuse.
Nope. All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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jar Member Posts: 33175 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
It is not I that say humans were always meant to be responsible but rather the Bible; not just once but time after time after time. Beginning in Genesis 2&3 the God Character makes the humans responsible for their behavior even when the root cause was a failing of the God character. Phat, why do you constantly object when folk point out what is actually written in the Bible rather than what is marketed from the Snake Oil salesmen call Apologists? Could it be that you don't want to be responsible for your behavior and just want the Jesus as a Get Outta Responsibility coin?
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Phat Member Posts: 14944 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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Phat Member Posts: 14944 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I must go to work. I will be back later and comment further in this thread as I actually read the book being discussed. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
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PaulK Member Posts: 16723 Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
quote: Interesting that you don’t notice the contradiction. The story is clear that the snake told the truth. Anyone who tries to pretend otherwise is ignorant - or likely selling snake oil.
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