The Case For Miracles

I just got Lee Strobels newest book free on my Amazon Kindle. I know how the skeptics--especially that smug crew at Internet Infidels--loves to demean and minimise Strobel, but he makes a decent argument and many on the "other side" support his argument. Critics can and will say what they want to be true. William Lane Craig is as smart as any of them and he gives a good review...so im open to hearing the pro and con arguments. As I read the book I will comment here.

Strobel is known for throwing softball questions at people who agree with him. While he usually goes to people with genuine expertise he is willing to set even that aside in the name of cherry-picking.

You will not find a decent look at the pros and cons in one of Strobel’s books - by intent.

I very much doubt that any on the “other side” actually think that Strobel has very good arguments. Indeed, if he did, why is his presentation so one-sided ?

Lee Strobel's books are intended for the weak minded. Each one has been eviscerated by critical reviewers.

Great business plan since there is one born (again even) every minute; over a half million new customers every year.

Edited by jar, : No reason given.

The DRC is struggling with measles and Ebola.Ars Technica

...a 46-year-old pastor tested positive for Ebola in the DRC city of Goma. The pastor was on an evangelical mission and had recently traveled from the Butembo, which has grappled with the viral disease since last December. While there, the pastor had delivered sermons in seven churches and laid his hands on worshippers, some of whom were ill.

The pastor began experiencing Ebola symptoms while he was in Butembo, nevertheless he travelled back to Goma, where he was fortunately diagnosed before he could do more to spread the disease.

Sadly, the infected pastor has since died. His contacts are being monitored and we may hope that he did not pass the infection on.

The case for miracles is very, very easy to make. A miracle is god intervening in our physical world. So your job is just to show us a couple or three that stand up to the scrutiny of physical testing.

The Snodgrass miracle, proving that God is a Red Sox fan.

Theo writes: Lee Strobel's books are intended for the weak minded. Each one has been eviscerated by critical reviewers.

Doctrines of demons. that's what the Internet Infidels have--in short. But I will never convince you. You are quick to judge and be critical, and once a Christian makes even one mistake you dismiss everything they have to say----even if they are right. A good example is how you latched on to Ravi Zacharias and dragged him over the coals for one alleged (not even proven) accusation against him. But you have a built in bias against believers to begin with, because if the God we market existed, you would have the audacity to have a word or two with Him as if your measure of morality exceeds His. And jar is an instrument of the enemy by encouraging such behavior, as if humans were always meant to be responsible and outgrow a need for God. Lies, gentlemen. Not word salad. Once it is someday proven that the supernatural is actually real, the entire secular humanist intellectual mindset of this planet will be blown away. And likely what will happen is that satan will enter the unbelievers at that point and cause such an intense hatred of Christianity that more of the story will be verified. These events must happen, evidently.

Phat writes: Once it is someday proven that the supernatural is actually real, the entire secular humanist intellectual mindset of this planet will be blown away.

Weird how you've suddenly gone all loony tunes on us. You've joined the ranks of the idiots that make themselves feel self-important by talking crap to others too stupid to call you out on it.

And likely what will happen is that satan will enter the unbelievers at that point and cause such an intense hatred of Christianity that more of the story will be verified. These events must happen, evidently.

You guys really get off on this sort of shit don't you?

Phat writes: And likely what will happen is that satan will enter the unbelievers at that point...

You really should stop using "satan" as an excuse.

Phat writes: ... and cause such an intense hatred of Christianity that more of the story will be verified. These events must happen, evidently.

Nope.

Phat writes: And jar is an instrument of the enemy by encouraging such behavior, as if humans were always meant to be responsible and outgrow a need for God.

It is not I that say humans were always meant to be responsible but rather the Bible; not just once but time after time after time. Beginning in Genesis 2&3 the God Character makes the humans responsible for their behavior even when the root cause was a failing of the God character.

Phat, why do you constantly object when folk point out what is actually written in the Bible rather than what is marketed from the Snake Oil salesmen call Apologists?

Could it be that you don't want to be responsible for your behavior and just want the Jesus as a Get Outta Responsibility coin?

jar writes: Phat, why do you constantly object when folk point out what is actually written in the Bible rather than what is marketed from the Snake Oil salesmen call Apologists?

First of all, I dont agree that allapologists are simply snake oil salesman. Second, the evidence shows that nearly everyone who markets the "snake told the truth and God lied" explanation are themselves atheists and/or agnostics...except you. You were mistaught to never park your brain at the door and to mistrust apologetics. In so doing, you incorrectly guessed that there was no way to know that it was God. You endlessly ask how this can be so. It is something that I cannot explain except to say that it is found through faith and not through evidence. You all will likely reject this bit of information.

Could it be that you don't want to be responsible for your behavior and just want the Jesus as a Get Outta Responsibility coin?

Of course I want to be reponsible but unlike you I'm not so proud that I insist on doing everything myself as you were evidently taught to do. God can do some things for us that we ourselves cannot do.

I must go to work. I will be back later and comment further in this thread as I actually read the book being discussed.

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First of all, I dont agree that allapologists are simply snake oil salesman. Second, the evidence shows that nearly everyone who markets the "snake told the truth and God lied" explanation are themselves atheists and/or agnostics...except you

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Interesting that you don’t notice the contradiction. The story is clear that the snake told the truth. Anyone who tries to pretend otherwise is ignorant - or likely selling snake oil.