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Dredge
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Message 1323 of 1385 (858269)
07-19-2019 4:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1310 by RAZD
07-15-2019 12:45 PM


Re: It tells us who we are.
RAZD writes:
It tells us who we are.
Whatever that means and which has nothing to do with a practical use in applied science for the Darwinian explanation of the history of life on earth.

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Message 1325 of 1385 (858493)
07-20-2019 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1316 by AZPaul3
07-17-2019 2:29 PM


AZPaul3 writes:
he is a CRP (crazy religious person) who has recurrent voices and visions playing in his head.
You’re showing your true colours now - you know full well that you aren’t speaking the truth.
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

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Message 1326 of 1385 (858495)
07-20-2019 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1322 by Louis Morelli
07-19-2019 1:36 AM


Re: Name one.
Louis Morelli writes:
How is UCA relevant to protein folding?
It isn’t. Applied biology has no use at all for the concept of UCA or even for the information that humans and chimps share a common ancestor.
Now, if you are a theoretical deist, you will say Matrix/DNA is wrong, if you are a theoretical atheist you will say it is wrong. I think that rationally, any believe that separates Universal Evolution into two blocks (cosmological and Biological evolution) without a rational evolutionary link between them is magical thought, so, deism and atheism. I am here advocating a third world view, an agnostic one. I think it is my right to do it also.
I agree that you have every right to express your very entertaining and fantastic ideas. Have you ever thought about writing science-fiction?

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Message 1332 of 1385 (858702)
07-23-2019 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1324 by RAZD
07-19-2019 8:27 AM


Re: It tells us who we are.
RAZD writes:
Applied science (engineering essentially) is making use of knowledge to make practical things, like bridges and roads, but also medicines and foods. You've been told this already.
Knowing who we are means not wasting a lot of time and bandwidth on fantasies but spending that time on actual works of value. It also means doing those things instead of waiting for magic fantasies to fix it.
Whatever you still haven’t yet given me a practical use in applied science for the Darwinian interpretation of the history of life on earth.
Btw, this is getting off-topic, but what does the Darwinian interpretation of the history of life on earth tell us about who we are?
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

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Message 1335 of 1385 (859236)
07-30-2019 1:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1334 by RAZD
07-24-2019 4:29 PM


Re: It tells us who we are.
RAZD writes:
You missed it.
I didn't miss it. All you gave me was some irrelevant rhetoric, not a practical use. Try again.
Maybe you should try to figure that one out. It's not rocket science.
God could have created life via a process of Darwinian evolution. What does that tell us about "who we are"?
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Message 1336 of 1385 (859237)
07-30-2019 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1333 by Taq
07-23-2019 6:44 PM


Taq writes:
The fossil record is used to construct phylogenies which are then used to detect mutations involved in disease.
An example, please.

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Dredge
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Message 1340 of 1385 (859597)
08-01-2019 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1333 by Taq
07-23-2019 6:44 PM


Taq writes:
The fossil record is used to construct phylogenies which are then used to detect mutations involved in disease.
This is a direct application of evolution in applied science.
I asked you for an example of this (#1336) but, unsurprisingly, none was provided. It looks suspiciously like your claim is a result of some sort of delusion.
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Dredge
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Message 1341 of 1385 (859780)
08-03-2019 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1339 by RAZD
07-30-2019 9:53 AM


Re: It tells us who we are.
Be specific - give me a specific example of how the neo-Darwinian explanation for the history of life on earth has provided a practical use in applied science.

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Message 1343 of 1385 (860001)
08-05-2019 3:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1337 by AZPaul3
07-30-2019 3:50 AM


Re: It tells us who we are.
AZPaul3 writes:
But Mother Nature (what a woman!) could and did do all the above. She created life from star dust. She created evolution to animate the planet with it. And she created Eleanor Roosevelt with her well known tendency to fly.
With nothing but natural processes - such a useful Mother Nature. With all the majik in the universe
otherwise known as science-fiction and superstition.

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Dredge
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Message 1344 of 1385 (860002)
08-05-2019 3:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1338 by Sarah Bellum
07-30-2019 8:25 AM


Sarah Bellum writes:
You even agree that birds evolved from dinosaurs
I don’t recall agreeing that birds evolved from dinosaurs.
Is your problem with the, "practical use in applied science for the Darwinian interpretation of the history of life on earth" a dislike for the fact that birds evolved from dinosaurs because you can't make a quick buck off the fact that birds evolved from dinosaurs?
Have you been drinking?

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Dredge
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Message 1353 of 1385 (860692)
08-10-2019 1:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1342 by AZPaul3
08-03-2019 12:35 AM


For one thing, it means Dobzhansky's claim that "Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution" is deluded nonsense.

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Message 1354 of 1385 (860693)
08-10-2019 1:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1352 by Taq
08-06-2019 7:33 PM


Edited out.
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

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Dredge
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Message 1356 of 1385 (860982)
08-15-2019 3:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1351 by Taq
08-06-2019 7:32 PM


Taq writes:
Overall, our results demonstrate the usefulness of evolutionary analyses for understanding patterns of human disease mutations
Fine, but that’s not what I asked for. What you need to do is explain how common ancestry has proven useful in a practical application. For example, demonstrate how accepting the information that humans and chimps share a common ancestor is necessary for any practical application of biology. Your post doesn’t do that. It didn’t work the first time you offered it and surprise, surprise it didn’t work this time either. You appear to be a slow learner.
as with our analysis of the frequencies of different amino acid changes, we only analyzed amino acid changes among species that could have been the result of a single nucleotide mutation and scored each type of amino acid change seen at a site once to account for the residue’s common ancestry within a phylogenetic lineage.
This is not a practical use - it is merely theorising about common ancestry - completely useless speculation, in other words. Evidently, you don’t know the difference between a useless theory and a practical use.

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Dredge
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Message 1357 of 1385 (860983)
08-15-2019 4:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1355 by AZPaul3
08-10-2019 9:45 AM


AZPaul3 writes:
Do you contend that the scientific field of evolution only involves UCA? Are there no other practical links between evolution and biology?
As an example, is it your contention that mutation has no effect on biology?
Is it your contention that mutation in bacteria and viruses can never have an effect on your personal biology function?
The bad news is, you have descended into a cesspit of strawmanism, extreme silliness and embarrassing fatuity. Please be advised that this display does nothing for your credibility as someone with intelligence.
The good news is, you have at least conceded that your Darwinist bedtime story is scientifically irrelevant.

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Dredge
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Message 1360 of 1385 (861539)
08-23-2019 2:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1358 by AZPaul3
08-15-2019 6:18 AM


AZPaul3 writes:
I guess you can't answer the questions because you haven't any reasons or because you don't understand the questions. Fatuity indeed.
The bad news is this is an open public forum and everyone can see you trying to avoid giving an account of your UCA foolishness.
The bad news is, a public forum is not the best place to find oneself indulging in meaningless babble.
How does UCA lacking what you would define as practical use in applied science sever the well established connection between evolution and biology?
This question if off-topic. The question is, how has the information that the history of life on earth is the result of a process of Darwinian common descent provided a practical use in applied science?
Do you contend that the scientific field of evolution only involves UCA? Are there no other practical links between evolution and biology?
These questions are off-topic. The question is, how has the information that the history of life on earth is the result of a process of Darwinian common descent provided a practical use in applied science?
is it your contention that mutation has no effect on biology?
1. Mutation is a demonstrable principle of biology. So in effect you’re asking me if certain principle of biology has an effect on biology.
2. This question is off-topic. The question is, how has the information that the history of life on earth is the result of a process of Darwinian common descent provided a practical use in applied science?
Is it your contention that mutation in bacteria and viruses can never have an effect on your personal biology function?
This question is off-topic. The question is, how has the information that the history of life on earth is the result of a process of Darwinian common descent provided a practical use in applied science?

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