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Message 1173 of 1385 (854014)
06-04-2019 4:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1168 by Dredge
06-04-2019 2:32 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
1. No, as I've pointed out many times, I'm not a YEC.
You're not just a YEC you're a yokel of a YEC.

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Message 1192 of 1385 (854171)
06-05-2019 11:59 AM
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06-05-2019 2:14 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Believe it or not, macroevolution sort of needs organisms to breed in order for it to happen.
No, Dredge. You got it wrong yet again. No surprise.
Microevolution needs organisms to breed. Once you have that then macroevolution just naturally happens. You keep forgetting that macroevolution = microevolution + time.
Macroevolution sort of needs microevolution in order for it to happen.
... and why genetic disasters place a limit on how far the dog genome can be "stretched".
Forced inbreeding is not "stretching" a specific dog genome but greatly limiting it. It forces the exclusion of the great genetic diversity available within the larger canine species population genome.
You cannot breed non-dog from dog. In a million years whatever new species may develop from Canis lupus familiaris will be within the nested hierarchy of Canis lupus and further within the new nested hierarchy Canis lupus familiaris.
Just like dog is a daughter species from wolf (dog is wolf) so the daughter species from dog in the future, call it a rennie, will still be dog (rennie is dog) which means it also is wolf (rennie is wolf) and it also is carnivore (rennie is carnivore) and it also is mammal (rennie is mammal).
But then again you cannot acknowledge the reality of nested hierarchies since they destroy your religious fantasies.
Oh look, a petulant insult - the last resort of the clueless. Classy stuff.
I'm so glad you liked it. I did it just for you. I'm happy it wasn't wasted.
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Message 1193 of 1385 (854188)
06-05-2019 1:08 PM
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06-05-2019 2:14 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Sorry, but your breeding program tells me nothing about how to breed a synapsid from an amniote.
What part of leave them alone for a few million years do you not understand? That is a breeding program that has already worked for every organism on this planet today. It may tell *you* nothing but that’s because you know nothing from the start. Can’t build a foundation of knowledge on a mental vacuum.
If someone asked you how to breed a sausage dog from a wolf, for example, and you said "put them in a nice (warm) place and let chemistry work its majik", they would rightly conclude that you know ZILCH about dog breeding.
Why would I want to breed a dachshund from a wolf when nature has already done that?
Well, nature did the wolf-to-dog part. Only took about 40 million years. After that man did the hundreds of generations of inbreeding to go from the various domestic dog strains to what we today call a dachshund.
It seems that your so-called knowledge turns out to be nothing but blind faith - "Gee, I dunno ... evolution done it!"
Is it possible for you to get anything right?
Yes, evolution done it, but we *do* know how it worked . in detail. We have the fossils. We have the genetic code.
Yes, I realize you cannot see the data. Regardless of your religious blinders and your closed little mind the processes are well known and demonstrable. Your personal incredulity will not change these facts.

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Message 1203 of 1385 (854338)
06-07-2019 10:07 AM
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06-07-2019 1:43 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
Synapsids are aminotes
Fine. Tell AZPaul3 - he was the one who “informed” me that synapsids evolved from amniotes (#1149)
I sure did.
Message 1149
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So first you get a population of amniotes which evolve into the synapsids, and the sauropsids.
I went further in Message 1172
AZPaul3 writes:
To evolve amniotes to synapsids/sauropsids nature took millions of colonies of different species of amniotes, put them in a nice wet warm place and let chemistry work its majik. A few million years later the amniotes were still there but had evolved two separate forms.
I guess nested hierarchies are too complex for your simple IQ=9 brain to comprehend.
Typical YEC.

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Message 1207 of 1385 (854352)
06-07-2019 1:29 PM
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06-07-2019 2:04 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
A good start to solving the world's problems would be to eradicate feminism - it's demonic, anti-life, Marxist poison.
Yes, of course. Giving men and women equal political, economic and social opportunities is such an evil thing since it negates the religious creed that women are inferior beings.
Typical YEC.
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Message 1212 of 1385 (854390)
06-08-2019 1:17 AM
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06-08-2019 1:01 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
And if a side effect of feminism is lower birth rate then let’s hope it takes hold on the Indian sub-continent, China, Africa, hmmm . ok . the whole world. We could use a break on our species resource utilization rates.

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Message 1218 of 1385 (854486)
06-09-2019 2:46 AM
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06-09-2019 2:25 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
huge chunks of workers' (young people) income will need to be taxed in order to support all the elderly
Tax schemes need to be changed. Simple.
Easier and less disruptive than designating half our population as inferior beings.
Why do Christians hate so much?
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Message 1232 of 1385 (854519)
06-09-2019 2:46 PM
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06-09-2019 3:42 AM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
This is how you breed sausage dogs from wolves: You just leave wolves alone to for a few thousand years and eventually they will evolve into sausage dogs.”
I thought we were talking amniotes to synapsids. Millions of years of microevolution and natural selection is how nature did the task. And that is a well known fact whether you care to acknowledge it or not.
Go ahead. Put your fingers in your ears, shut your eyes and say 5 "godonits".
That’s like saying, “This is how you breed sausage dogs from wolves: You just leave wolves alone to for a few thousand years and eventually they will evolve into sausage dogs.”
To a stupid person it may appear to be the same. Knowledge is a wonderful thing and allows one to separate differing process producing differing results.
To go from amniotes thru synapsid thru wolf to dog is this same process. Millions of years of microevolution and natural selection. Now if you want to go from dog to dachshund that is obviously, except to the stinted logic of the twisted religious mind, a different process. Microevolution by artificial selection. Quite different from the natural process.
... you really know nothing about “how macroevolution occurs.”
Reading comprehension really is a weakness for you isn't it. Must go with that IQ of 9 you are so proud of.
You have been schooled many times in this one thread alone on exactly how macroevolution occurs.
Denying this is intellectually dishonest. To be expected from your side, I suppose ... or ... it is religiously motivated denial since the facts of evolution and microevolution and genetics and natural selection all conspire to destroy your fantasy of a sky-daddy god who blows his nose at clay dolls?
Snot covered Hummels. Ewww.

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Message 1234 of 1385 (854526)
06-09-2019 6:33 PM
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06-09-2019 6:03 PM


Re: Another useful application of evolutionary theory
The evidence, M'Lady, is all over the internet. You can't miss it ... except on purpose.

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Message 1238 of 1385 (854532)
06-09-2019 7:28 PM


Oh that went well.
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Message 1242 of 1385 (854537)
06-09-2019 10:16 PM


... and it's fun.

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Message 1261 of 1385 (856066)
06-26-2019 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1260 by Dredge
06-26-2019 12:41 AM


all this information would have be gained and these uses would have been developed if everyone believed life on earth was 100 years old
Goalpost Leviosa!

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Message 1316 of 1385 (858139)
07-17-2019 2:29 PM
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07-17-2019 9:50 AM


So, you aren't worried about conformity with reality or any such minor detail, yes?
edge, he is a CRP (crazy religious person) who has recurrent voices and visions playing in his head. Reality has no big influence on this one's worries.

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Message 1327 of 1385 (858498)
07-20-2019 8:47 PM
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07-20-2019 7:50 PM


You’re showing your true colours now - you know full well that you aren’t speaking the truth.
You’re right. I left off the B. BCRP (Batshit Crazy Religious Person) — voices, visions and all.
Serious, Dredge, you really should seek professional help. The kind of voices and visions you relayed are not normal.

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Message 1337 of 1385 (859239)
07-30-2019 3:50 AM
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07-30-2019 1:51 AM


Re: It tells us who we are.
All you gave me was some irrelevant rhetoric, not a practical use.
What irrelevant rhetoric? How so? Specifics. How is that answer irrelevant?
And how could it have been of no practical use when its use was built right into the answer?
More of your reading comprehension problems.
God could have created life via a process of Darwinian evolution.
Your god could have done no such thing since Darwinian evolution has nothing to do with creating life.
Then again your god could have grown a propeller on his nose and flew around the room like Eleanor Roosevelt except being non-existent he couldn’t accomplish that either.
But Mother Nature (what a woman!) could and did do all the above. She created life from star dust. She created evolution to animate the planet with it. And she created Eleanor Roosevelt with her well known tendency to fly.
With nothing but natural processes - such a useful Mother Nature. With all the majik in the universe - such a useless god.

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