quote:The four whatever they’re called, the group you know, those people, they ascribe to an ideology that has 27 million black African slaves owned by them in their country, she stated. And that’s currently, not 150 years ago. That’s not then, but that’s now.
(if you believe tariffs are only a socialist/communist activity, then I can't help you)
I believe tariffs are not "less government regulation". They are more government regulation. I believe tariffs are not "more free marketing". They are less free marketing.
All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
They are mild forms of socialism that the U.S. has adopted into its capitalist system, long after the midway point from it's founding to today. A basic definition of socialism looks like this;
quote: Socialism; any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
The absolute socialism that todays Democrats espouse is government involvement in production and distribution of goods. That is several levels above Social Security, which is paid into during the lives of its recipients.
Are there public highways?
Yes. Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution authorizes their construction and upkeep.
Are there Municipal Fire and Police Departments? Are there street lights?
Those are basics in any organized society, they are not socialist.
Sorry Charlie but all of those are Socialist Programs.
All countries in the world have them, and not all countries are recognized as socialist. Public water, street lights etc, aren't in the same league as the socialist programs today's Democrats promote.
So you believe Trump is seeking to channel power into only himself and... his children etc? Do you know of any other world leader who has sought to do that by advocating less government regulation, more free marketing, and maintaining an armed citizenry?
ABE did you notice the alleged actions you listed are the antithesis of socialism or communism? Except for the armed citizenry.
IT WAS MY POINT! And an armed citizenry is also the antithesis of socialism or communism. Any leader who seeks to become a socialist, communist, or promote oligarchism is going to do the opposite of what Trump is doing. I suspect there are lots of former world leaders who sought to increase the size and scope of government by doing exactly what todays Democrats espouse, not what Trump is doing. I'm looking for examples of past hammer-and-sickle tyrants who achieved their diabolical ends by doing what Trump is doing. If you don't know of any, then it's pretty laughable that you and others here claim that Trump is a wannabe tyrant.
I believe tariffs are not "less government regulation". They are more government regulation. I believe tariffs are not "more free marketing". They are less free marketing.
There is a big difference between conducting foreign affairs ("regulating commerce with foreign nations"- it's in the Constitution) and meddling in the personal lives of the citizens. ("erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance", and "declaring themselves with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever" - it's in the Declaration of Independence)
Trump's holding the line on EPA regulations alone is a contributing factor in today's record setting economy.
"New offices, swarms of officers, power to legislate" - climate change, anyone?
Sorry but how do they control the production and distribution of goods?
A single payer medical system does not control the production or distribution of good, only the financing of them.
So far I see no difference between public highways, public fire departments (at one time they were not public but rather private) or medicare or social security.
To most people a hammer and sickle represents the USSR, not Trump.
The Trump administration has officially argued there is no such thing as congressional oversight. They have often threatened to ignore the Judicial branch, and the reason they are losing in court at unprecedented rates is not activist judges but rather the many blatantly illegal policies they've tried to implement (e.g. the new asylum policy:even the Border Patrol is expecting it to be knocked down; Acting Head Of Customs And Border Protection Says New Asylum Rule In 'Pilot' Phase : NPR) and the many legal requirements for implementing policies. Even when Republicans held the House and Senate he's ruled by executive order.
I agree Trump is not trying to be a socialist or communist. There are other forms of tyranny. No matter what you label it Trump’s destroying our entire system. Maybe oligarchy is the wrong word. We're looking at a new Gilded Age. Rich old white men and their corporations in charge and the proles, armed or not, don't get uppity. Have you noticed that "less regulation" benefits business and harms the country (hey, who needs breathable air or drinlawater, amirite?) And that "more free marketing" (like tarrifs?) benefits business and may or may not benefit the country. There are lots of areas where free marketing doesn't work (health care) and lots of places the administration is anti-free-market (social networking companies, coal subsidies, farmer subsidies to make up for trade war losses ).
There is a big difference between conducting foreign affairs ("regulating commerce with foreign nations"- it's in the Constitution) and meddling in the personal lives of the citizens.
Tariffs are paid by the consumers of the goods. They are meddling in the lives of the citizens.
marc9000 writes:
Trump's holding the line on EPA regulations alone is a contributing factor in today's record setting economy.
Helping big corporations to ruin the environment for the people is also meddling in the lives of the people.
All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
Sorry but how do they control the production and distribution of goods?
With climate change mandates. They're not really started yet, except for selling fear among students in all levels of education. There's no facet of production and distribution of goods that can't fall under future climate change mandates.
To most people a hammer and sickle represents the USSR, not Trump.
I agree, yet I was the only one to point out the glaring error in Message 3064
The Trump administration has officially argued there is no such thing as congressional oversight.
What's your source for that - looks like fake news to me. I suspect that was twisted and distorted out of a comment of his that a congress focused on NOTHING but bringing down a president needs to have its "congressional oversight" reigned in from time to time.
Even when Republicans held the House and Senate he's ruled by executive order.
Here is the Wikipedia chart that shows all presidential use of the executive order. It shows that Trump's use of it is nothing unusual. What he has often used it for is 2 things that most other presidents haven't had to; 1) To help reign in witch-hunts against his presidency, and 2) to reverse at least some of the damage that Obama did, as in foreign agreements that weren't in the best interests of the U.S. and advancing the Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines that Obama thwarted.
No matter what you label it Trump’s destroying our entire system.
We have most all Democrat presidential candidates promising to give free health care to illegal immigrants, we have a Muslim, America hating congresswoman with a turbine wrapped around her head that the news media adores, every Democrat presidential candidate agrees that we're going to have to make serious changes in our lifestyles to combat climate change, and you're worried about Trump destroying our entire system?
We're looking at a new Gilded Age. Rich old white men and their corporations in charge
Nothing new about the Democrat party's anger and jealousy of "rich old white men and corporations". They've hated them for over a century.
Have you noticed that "less regulation" benefits business and harms the country
When the public voluntarily buys the products and services that business provides, it doesn't harm the country.
(hey, who needs breathable air or drinlawater, amirite?)
We HAVE breathable air and drinkable water. But we also have special interests who have a financial stake in selling fear about those things.
Here's what a free-market economist has to say
There are liberal free market economists. Trump won on many issues, and one of them was his claim that foreign countries have been taking advantage of the U.S. for too long. Even if his new ideas on tariffs have short term challenges, I for one am willing to see how his ideas work, compared to the ideas of the former swamp dwellers who have spent us $22 trillion in debt.
Sorry charlie but that is not socialism but rather self preservation and meant to protect even the fools that deny such things are needed. They are no different than any other laws and mandates need to stop destructive behavior.
The Trump administration has officially argued there is no such thing as congressional oversight.
What's your source for that - looks like fake news to me. I suspect that was twisted and distorted out of a comment of his that a congress focused on NOTHING but bringing down a president needs to have its "congressional oversight" reigned in from time to time.
The House has passed 200 bills, several of them major (E.g. HR1). It's the Senate that's doing no legislating.
On checking, I find that I did overstate the case. The official argument is that there's no Congressional oversight of the President. On the subject of the requirment that there must be some legislative purpose for a subpoena.
quote:William Consovoy, the lawyer who is representing Trump and his family, doubled down on arguments made at the lower court that Congress has essentially no oversight authority over the President. He also suggested that almost any law that seeks to address ethical issues with the presidency would be considered unconstitutional.
The breadth of Consovoy’s arguments at times took the judges aback.
Imagine, in the future, you have the most corrupt president in humankind, openly flaunting it, what law could Congress pass? Judge Patricia Millett, an Obama appointee asked.
I think it’s very hard to think of one, Consovoy responded.
Here is the Wikipedia chart that shows all presidential use of the executive order.
Yes, it's in line with other's use. But we need to compare his executive orders to his (essentially nil) legislative achievements.
We have most all Democrat presidential candidates promising to give free health care to illegal immigrants, we have a Muslim, America hating congresswoman with a turbine wrapped around her head that the news media adores, every Democrat presidential candidate agrees that we're going to have to make serious changes in our lifestyles to combat climate change, and you're worried about Trump destroying our entire system?
Yes. No congresswoman hates America or is antisemitic. Climate change is going to fuck us good because Republicans refuse to do anything.
When the public voluntarily buys the products and services that business provides, it doesn't harm the country.
Most of the rollbacks lessen worker safety and antipollution protections. Dead people don't purchase.
We HAVE breathable air and drinkable water. But we also have special interests who have a financial stake in selling fear about those things.
Yes. Although the air has gotten a little worse in the past two years. Wait until the effect of deregulation really kicks in.
There are liberal free market economists. Trump won on many issues, and one of them was his claim that foreign countries have been taking advantage of the U.S. for too long. Even if his new ideas on tariffs have short term challenges, I for one am willing to see how his ideas work, compared to the ideas of the former swamp dwellers who have spent us $22 trillion in debt.
So you didn't bother to read the article or research the author.
Trump's proposed 2020 budget increases the debt by five trillion. Between his inauguration and the debt passing 22 trillion he added 2.1 trillion. Less than Obama over a comparable time, but Obama was dealing with a crashed economy and Trump was dealing with a reasonably healthy economy. The tax cuts for the rich didn't trickle down, as usual, and are adding significantly to the debt. Trump promised to eliminate the debt in eight years. Obviously he's well on his way to that goal.
Trump is abysmally ignorant of foreign policy and global economics. Nobody'd taking any significant advantage of us economically. So far his only effect has been alienating our allies.
We HAVE breathable air and drinkable water. But we also have special interests who have a financial stake in selling fear about those things.
Yes. Although the air has gotten a little worse in the past two years. Wait until the effect of deregulation really kicks in.
Some of us are actually old enough to remember quite well when we did not have clean air or drinkable water and were adults even at that time. It is only through legislation that placed limits on just how much pollution US Capitalism could dump into the air and water that we have any breathable air and any drinkable water. Unfortunately, in the case of drinkable water US capitalism has refused to do the necessary maintenance and upgrades needed to deliver drinkable water and also continues to pollute our air.
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