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Diomedes Member Posts: 998 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Happy Boris Day everyone! future generations will mark this day by wearing ridiculous blonde wigs and spending the day lying compulsively, to remember when the UK got its worst Prime minister ever. Not really a surprise at this stage. But nonetheless, Boris is the new PM. I see the Pound Sterling is already down in trading. Now comes the interesting part: how will he fix Brexit? Not sure he even knows.
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jar Member (Idle past 160 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Worry not. He will make England Great Again!
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ringo Member (Idle past 733 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Vimesey writes:
It's the nature of the beast. In Canada, we got Pierre Trudeau in the same way and he was one of our best Prime Ministers. And voted for by an electorate of approx 0.2% of the population. Democracy in action eh ?All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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MEGA hats?
It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman
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vimesey Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
It's the nature of the beast. In Canada, we got Pierre Trudeau in the same way and he was one of our best Prime Ministers. Something tells me our mileage will differ ;-)Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Taq Member Posts: 10385 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
jar writes: Worry not. He will make England Great Again! What about Wales, Scotland, and N. Ireland? I'm thinking N. Ireland, and Ireland proper, aren't going to be too happy at the end of this one.
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Taq Member Posts: 10385 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Diomedes writes: Now comes the interesting part: how will he fix Brexit? Not sure he even knows. He will probably adopt his predecessor's policy and just repeat irrelevant facts: "Brexit means Brexit."--Theresa May
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jar Member (Idle past 160 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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If the folk from Wales, Scotland, and N. Ireland don't like it they can just go back where they came from.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 998 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
He will probably adopt his predecessor's policy and just repeat irrelevant facts: "Brexit means Brexit."--Theresa May I'm still waiting for discussions around rebuilding Hadrian's Wall. And I hope it will be YUUUUUUGE!! Gotta keep them pesky Scot's at bay, don't yah know?
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Diomedes Member Posts: 998 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Boris is now PM. He indicated he is going to negotiate a new deal with the EU and also demand removal of the Irish backstop.
The EU has stated that there will be no further negotiations on the existing deal and that the Irish backstop has to remain in place. Who is going to blink?
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PaulK Member Posts: 18054 Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
I think Boris’s plan is No Deal and blame the EU.
He hasn’t got time for big changes to the deal, and the backstop is staying. An Ireland-only backstop might fly with some but the DUP will not wear it, and Boris needs them to stay in power. So what other alternative does he have?
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Taq Member Posts: 10385 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Diomedes writes: Who is going to blink? PM Johnson may not blink, but Parliament will. The EU has major leverage with the Irish border, and I expect they will use it to the fullest.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 998 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
PM Johnson may not blink, but Parliament will. The EU has major leverage with the Irish border, and I expect they will use it to the fullest. I just wonder how much clout Parliament will actually have considering the circumstances. While Johnson is maintaining the premise of wanting an augmented deal, he has no qualms about no deal. And despite some of the recent voting in Parliament, that is the default option. The only way to avoid a no deal if the current deal cannot be augmented is getting another extension or revoking article 50. I don't see either of those scenarios as being likely. And I don't know if Parliament can vote on a general election. I think that can only be called by the Prime Minister. Correct me if I am wrong.And that notwithstanding, there is insufficient time to have a general election before the October 31st deadline.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1345 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined:
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The only way to avoid a no deal if the current deal cannot be augmented is getting another extension or revoking article 50. I don't see either of those scenarios as being likely. And I don't know if Parliament can vote on a general election. I think that can only be called by the Prime Minister. Correct me if I am wrong. And that notwithstanding, there is insufficient time to have a general election before the October 31st deadline. The PM no longer has the power to call an early election. Parliament can, but it needs a two-thirds majority to do so. What they could do is vote no confidence in Johnson's government, and then if no one else can form a government within two weeks an election has to be held.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 998 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
The PM no longer has the power to call an early election. Parliament can, but it needs a two-thirds majority to do so. What they could do is vote no confidence in Johnson's government, and then if no one else can form a government within two weeks an election has to be held. My suspicion is a 2/3rds majority is not likely. I suppose a vote of no confidence is a possibility, but being that this is a new PM with a new cabinet, that may not get traction either. I guess as the situation unfolds, things and sentiment may change. But we are only three months away from the deadline. And I don't see Johnson asking for any extension at this stage since he is hell bent on leaving on October 31st. And there is no guarantee that the EU would even grant one. The most disconcerting thing is I still have not heard one, tangible idea for solving the Irish backstop issue. All I hear is platitudes. If they exit on October 31st, doesn't that in essence ensure a hard border in Northern Ireland? I keep hearing them mention technology. But that actually has to be built and implemented. Don't think there has been any headway in that department.
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