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Author Topic:   Did the Flood really happen?
ringo
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Message 571 of 2370 (858741)
07-23-2019 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 564 by Faith
07-23-2019 12:15 PM


Re: Corals
Faith writes:
All your speculations sound reasonable but there is no way to prove them one way or another so they remain speculations.
On the contrary, it is very easy to test the fragility of coral.
Faith writes:
The coral transport scenario has not been disproven, sorry.
That's another experiment that creationists could do. Throw some coral into a flood, have it transported a few hundred miles and check for damage. Why don't they ever do the experiments?
Faith writes:
... I can demonstrate the evidence....
The evidence would be transporting coral without damage. Demonstrate that.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 572 of 2370 (858742)
07-23-2019 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by Faith
07-23-2019 12:26 PM


Re: Corals
Faith writes:
You have no idea what a worldwide Flood wouldl have done so you have no idea whether the corals could have been transported or not.
So now you have a worldwide flood that was violent enough to destroy all traces of civilization before the flood, and at the same time gentle enough not to damage coral.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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edge
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Message 573 of 2370 (858743)
07-23-2019 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by Faith
07-23-2019 12:26 PM


Re: Corals
You have no idea what a worldwide Flood wouldl have done ...
Neither do you, evidently.
... so you have no idea whether the corals could have been transported or not. Sorry.
Actually, we do have an idea. We know what transport does to geological bodies. There are physical limits and consequential structural elements.

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Faith 
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Message 574 of 2370 (858744)
07-23-2019 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 572 by ringo
07-23-2019 12:39 PM


Re: Corals
It didn't have to be violent, it just had to be huge, full of mud and debris, and constantly moving in its earliest phase, to destroy everything in its path.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 575 of 2370 (858745)
07-23-2019 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 568 by Faith
07-23-2019 12:30 PM


Re: Absurdity
quote:
That has to be a rock of some sort at the far left, and we know it has some granite in it, but it's a rock or even a small mountain.
It’s labelled as Snowdon so it is a mountain.
quote:
The diagram indicates that the Cambrian and Silurian layers start on top of it and drape down its side to the right, part of that collapse I keep talking about that nobody seems to understand.
We see the tilt, but I don’t know why you call it a collapse. Why can’t the Western side have been raised rather than the Eastern side subsiding ? And doesn’t a collapse imply a sudden event? I don’t see any evidence of that.

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Faith 
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Message 576 of 2370 (858746)
07-23-2019 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 573 by edge
07-23-2019 12:39 PM


Re: Corals
I'm sure, but since I've been proving the Flood occurred and withing the Young Earth time frame, it needs further consideration.

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edge
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Message 577 of 2370 (858747)
07-23-2019 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 568 by Faith
07-23-2019 12:30 PM


Re: Absurdity
That has to be a rock of some sort at the far left, ...
Faith, that is a mountain. In fact, it is a schematic mountain.
... and we know it has some granite in it, but it's a rock or even a small mountain.
You may as well say Japan is a rock. Please try to use standard terminology so as not to confuse the discussion.
The diagram indicates that the Cambrian and Silurian layers start on top of it and drape down its side to the right, part of that collapse I keep talking about that nobody seems to understand.
We understand that the early Paleozoic rocks were deformed by the Caledonian Orogeny. They are folded in ways that the younger rocks are not. Hence, they were deformed prior to deposition of the younger rocks. The sedimentologial record supports this interpretation.

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ringo
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Message 578 of 2370 (858748)
07-23-2019 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 574 by Faith
07-23-2019 12:42 PM


Re: Corals
Faith writes:
It didn't have to be violent, it just had to be huge, full of mud and debris, and constantly moving in its earliest phase, to destroy everything in its path.
If it destroyed "everything in its path", why didn't it destroy the coral too?

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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JonF
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Message 579 of 2370 (858749)
07-23-2019 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by Faith
07-23-2019 12:26 PM


Re: Corals
Water was water. Physics was physics. Gravity was gravity. We have a very good idea what those limitations entail. There's no way large and extremely brittle objects attached to the sea floor were lifted whole, transported whole, and set down ehole.
IIRC, they have no attached roots that they normally use to attach to the sea floor, they were literally uprooted and transported, with disattached roots. That's the evidence they were transported and didn't grow in the places where their fossilized remains are found.
So the fact that you can make up a story with no consideration of physical possibility or how the events occurred is evidence for your point of view?
Since you obviously can't figure it out:
YOUR UNSUPPORTED AND PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE STORIES ARE NOT EVIDENCE.

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edge
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Message 580 of 2370 (858750)
07-23-2019 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 576 by Faith
07-23-2019 12:44 PM


Re: Corals
I'm sure, but since I've been proving the Flood occurred and withing the Young Earth time frame, it needs further consideration.
That is your untrained opinion. There are thousands of geologists who disagree and you insult the work of thousands more who dedicated their careers to reconstructing the geological development of Great Britain and the planet; all with a simple dismissal.
But I'm sure you know better.

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Faith 
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Message 581 of 2370 (858751)
07-23-2019 12:50 PM
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07-23-2019 12:43 PM


Re: Absurdity
Yes a Brit would know that Snowdon is a mountain, thanks.
We see the tilt, but I don’t know why you call it a collapse. Why can’t the Western side have been raised rather than the Eastern side subsiding ?
Could but it would have had to have been raised after the collapse then, since the strata are not in their original position but already collapsed across the length of the island. Originally all the strata including the short tilted parts on the island with their full lengths that are now under the sea level, that wavy irregular bunch of strata, all of them would have been up on the island all extending as a block of horizontal strata, climbing up from Cambrian to Holocene, Cambrian resting where the sea level line is.
And doesn’t a collapse imply a sudden event? I don’t see any evidence of that.
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Broken off strata, strata all collapsed into the sea?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 582 of 2370 (858752)
07-23-2019 12:53 PM
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07-23-2019 12:50 PM


Re: Corals
Sorry for the insults, I'm just working with what I see.

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Message 583 of 2370 (858753)
07-23-2019 12:54 PM
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07-23-2019 12:49 PM


Re: Corals
The coral wasn't in its path.

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edge
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Message 584 of 2370 (858754)
07-23-2019 12:54 PM
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07-23-2019 12:49 PM


Re: Corals
If it destroyed "everything in its path", why didn't it destroy the coral too?
Apparently, the fludde is whatever you want it to be. And it will do whatever you want it to do.
Very convenient, really.

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Message 585 of 2370 (858755)
07-23-2019 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 584 by edge
07-23-2019 12:54 PM


Re: Corals
But to an anti-Floodist it's whatever YOU want it to be, incapable of doing anything you don't want it to do and always doing what YOU want it to do.

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