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dwise1
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Message 3106 of 4573 (858767)
07-23-2019 1:28 PM
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07-23-2019 9:46 AM


Trump is abysmally ignorant of foreign policy and global economics. Nobody'd taking any significant advantage of us economically. So far his only effect has been alienating our allies.
Even worse, nobody wants to negotiate with us because nobody can believe nor trust us.
Trump thinks he can put pressure on Iran to enter new negotiations to recreate the nuclear deal that he had unilaterally broken and pulled out of. Iran has no incentive to talk with us, because they know for a fact that Trump will only lie to them and will break any and all promises he will make (in the middle of the night while sitting on the toilet). The only way that they'll agree to any deal is if Trump the Chump gives them what they want for nothing in return, like he did for Israel and North Korea.
And if we need to form any kind of military coalition, who's going to be able to trust us enough to commit their forces? Nobody.

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Message 3107 of 4573 (858770)
07-23-2019 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 3106 by dwise1
07-23-2019 1:28 PM


Yet the deplorables refuse to notice the emperor has no clothes.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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JonF
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Message 3108 of 4573 (858771)
07-23-2019 1:51 PM


Remember the raids on millions of illegal aliens?
Turns out they happened.
35 arrested in ICE operation that targeted 2,000
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Acting ICE Director Matthew Albence acknowledged the numbers were low in an interview with the Times on Monday, telling the paper, I don’t know of any other population where people are telling them how to avoid arrest as a result of illegal activity, he said. It certainly makes it harder for us to effectuate these orders issued.
You didn’t hear ICE talking about it before the operation was taking place, he told the Times.
Translation of the last line:"Thanks, Trump!"
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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Message 3109 of 4573 (858773)
07-23-2019 3:08 PM
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07-23-2019 1:51 PM


Re: Remember the raids on millions of illegal aliens?
I don’t know of any other population where people are telling them how to avoid arrest as a result of illegal activity, [Albence] said. It certainly makes it harder for us to effectuate these orders issued.
I'm pretty sure that's what they said about the Underground Railroad, too.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Message 3110 of 4573 (858774)
07-23-2019 3:22 PM
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07-23-2019 1:51 PM


Re: Remember the raids on millions of illegal aliens?
Doesn't matter to 45*, the fear is the point.
Concentration camps? Doesn't matter. The cruelty is the point.

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Message 3111 of 4573 (858781)
07-23-2019 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 3102 by marc9000
07-22-2019 10:34 PM


Trump Claims Article 2 Gives Him ‘The Right To Do Whatever I Want As President’
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I have an Article 2 where I have the right to do whatever I want as president, Trump said. But I don’t even talk about that because they did a report and there was no obstruction.
Nothing about Article 2 says the President can legally do whatever they want, let alone fire an independent counsel at will, but it’s not the first time Trump’s made such dubious claims.
During an interview with ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos last month, Trump cited Article 2 as the reason why presidents can’t be charged with obstruction of justice.
Raise your hand if you think he has a clue about the content of Article 2. Beuller? Beuller?
Now, who thinks it's dangerous for the President to believe there are no limits on his power?

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Message 3112 of 4573 (858792)
07-23-2019 6:45 PM


obama had the illegals in cages. nobody cares until trump is in charge. just goes to show how screwed up politics is.

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Message 3113 of 4573 (858794)
07-23-2019 6:58 PM
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07-23-2019 6:45 PM


messnjaH of oNe writes:
obama had the illegals in cages.
During the Obama administration, families were not separated, and children who were arrested without parents were placed with families in the US if possible. Also, there wasn't massive overcrowding in detention centers like there is now. It was the Trump "Zero Tolerance" policy that resulted in the current mess.

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Message 3114 of 4573 (858797)
07-23-2019 8:18 PM
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07-23-2019 6:58 PM


i didn't vote for trump on the immigration issue, but it does seem like an unsolvable problem no matter what tack you take.

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Message 3115 of 4573 (858799)
07-23-2019 8:39 PM
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07-23-2019 8:18 PM


It's only a problem if folk want it to be a problem. What if instead of detention centers we funded orientation centers where folk got medical care, a short course on US laws, job training or job placement and send the folk on their way to becoming citizens?
The cost would be he same or less and the outcome would be an enthusiastic workforce.

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Message 3116 of 4573 (858800)
07-23-2019 9:23 PM
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07-23-2019 8:39 PM


the problem with that is the resentment it would cause from the fact of millions of homeless in US citizenry.
not to mention the baddies like ms-13 and other criminals that kill citizens who aren't overtly interested in rehabilitation

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dwise1
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Message 3117 of 4573 (858807)
07-24-2019 3:54 AM
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07-23-2019 9:23 PM


It's only a problem if folk want it to be a problem. What if instead of detention centers we funded orientation centers where folk got medical care, a short course on US laws, job training or job placement and send the folk on their way to becoming citizens?
The cost would be he same or less and the outcome would be an enthusiastic workforce.
messenjaH of oNe writes:
the problem with that is the resentment it would cause from the fact of millions of homeless in US citizenry.
OK. Decent Christian chap, right? Everybody should be treated with some kind of basic "Christian" decency, right?
So provide the millions of US homeless the same benefits!

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Message 3118 of 4573 (858809)
07-24-2019 6:41 AM


Latest Trump Lies
It's hard to fathom how the contant lying is not, seemingly challenged.
Every time Trump does a press interview he hsould (must) be called out onthis. to do anything else is to be complicit.
https://www.theguardian.com/...itain-trump-uk-prime-minister
Trump also mocked Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s name, saying he will only call her Cortez and falsely claimed, She called our country and our people garbage.
The president repeated claims that Democrats would saddle America with a socialist nightmare and false claims their 2020 presidential candidates want to abolish the Department of Homeland Security, meaning that airplanes would no longer be protected. In another obvious falsehood, Trump claimed that undocumented immigrants vote multiple times in California. They’re rigged.

  
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Message 3119 of 4573 (858811)
07-24-2019 7:47 AM
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07-23-2019 9:23 PM


Chris writes:
the problem with that is the resentment it would cause from the fact of millions of homeless in US citizenry.
Which is yet another disgrace found in the USA. So let's address that issue as well.
Chris writes:
not to mention the baddies like ms-13 and other criminals that kill citizens who aren't overtly interested in rehabilitation
They are and have always been a minority and we already have a legal system in place to address criminals. Maybe it would make sense if the USA moved the resources it wastes fighting peaceful folk looking for a better life or on the War on Drugs towards feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, comforting the sorrowful, healing the sick, sheltering the homeless, protecting the helpless.

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Message 3120 of 4573 (858822)
07-24-2019 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 3114 by Trump won
07-23-2019 8:18 PM


messenjaH of oNe writes:
i didn't vote for trump on the immigration issue, but it does seem like an unsolvable problem no matter what tack you take.
Surely, the solution can't be misrepresenting the policies and actions of previous administrations. You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts.
On a different note, I was talking to an old buddy who was in town for a few days and he talked about his conversations with people abroad. When he was in the Netherlands someone said something that stuck with him: "You're American. You think there is a solution to everything.".
There may be no solution to illegal immigration, and we should come to that realization. What we can do is put policies in place that mitigate negative side effects while also upholding our moral and ethical values at the same time. Separating children from their parents, throwing them into overcrowded detention centers, and then not being able to reunite them with their parents contradicts everything about American values. EVERYTHING!!! That needs to be fixed pronto, and fixed by the administration that caused the problem in the first place.

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