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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That line is the bottom edge of the drawing by William Smith, it is obviously sea level, where the land meets the water. Yes the strata continue from the horizontally arranged pieces of strata whose tops are clearly broken off, to the strata beneath the line, where they appear to me to be on the soggy side from being underwater.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I described the ENORMOUS geographic extent of the srata that make up the geo column in the Midwest and in the Grand Canyon/Grand Staircase area. Today's sedimentary deposits in a mere lakebed are pathetically small by comparison and couldnlt possibly be a continuation of the geo column.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What part of Arizona? And what depth is shown here? You need a lot more information.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Pretty odd then that William Smith didn't include them in his cross section.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The flood would not have laid down many layers, it would have laid down a simple structure with larger stones precipitating out first and, of course no igneous or metamorphic strata. Consider the strata shown by the valley of the Grand Canyon. The flood certainly wouldn't have laid down volcanic basalt at a low level, sandstone in the Bright Angel formation, limestone and dolomite in the Muav formation, shale in the Supai formation, sandstone in the Coconino formation, shale in the Toroweap formation, lava and cinders in the Shivwits and Uinkaret formations and sedimentary rock on top of that lava. And that's just a few of the many, many different layers. I've analyzed the Grand Canyon in great detail. The volcanic action clearly occurred after all the sedimentary strata were in place. The sediments were laid down separately so each layer would be sorted by size within itself, the layers wouldn't sort according to each's overall size. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That's not the Smith diagram.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
This is the original cross section by William Smith. The other is an elaboration of it. Sorry, I should have posted it earlier but I wrongly assumed you'd know what I was talking about.
The horizontal line at the bottom is clearly sea level. That line is also drawn on the other diagram, showing that the distorted strata beneath that line are under water. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The short pieces of tilted strata are easier to see on the original Smith cross section. ALL of them in his picture are broken off tilted short pieces of strata. He apparently didn't know that they continue beneath the island so he only drew how they look on the surface.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The tops of the strata had to be broken off. Percy says they were eroded off. But they would originally have been long lengths of strata right? They had to be broken off.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They originally had other ends.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I've said dozens of times already that the strata we see on the surface continue below the sea level line and form that distorted block of strata we see there.
They had to have been broken at their tops. You do realize they are not in their original position, don't you? They had to have been stacked one on top of another originally, then they fell down into this current arrangement and the rest of the strata went beneath the sea level line. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Why on earth would I WANT it to be so? I have no need for it to be so. It just looks that way to me.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Whut?
I've been trying to get across how I see it as Percy tries to illustrate it: Start with long straight horizontal strata stacked from Cambrian up to Holocene. Tectonic activity raises the rock/mountain beneath this column of strata, causing them to break into two sections. The left or west side falls into the sea. The right or east side falls down so that the upper broken-off ends form the short tilted rocks on the surface of the island arranged from west to east, while the rest of their length continues beneath the sea level line forming the distorted strata we see there. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They had to fall into place because strata are not laid down as we see them, they are laid down each horizontally and stacked vertically one on top of the other. This is how they had to be originally so we need a way to explain how they got into their current position, and that's what I'm visualizing for Percy to try to illustrate.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Funny, as I recall, you have always been the one with the inability to understand physical reality. In any case, since this IS a debate, I DO disagree with you about my study of the Grand Canyon area and my conclusions.
Cheers.
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