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dwise1 Member Posts: 5951 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Having waded in both waters, you might appreciate this anecdote.
First, we note that Catholic churches are known for being ornate with rather elaborate and even graphic artwork, whereas Protestant churches are fairly devote of artwork even to the point of leaning towards abstract forms. One convincing theory is that Catholic art is actually teaching, that when Catholics did not have access to Bibles (pre-Gutenberg books were relatively rare and prohibitively expensive, most lay people never learned to read, church policy discouraged or prohibited reading the Bible yourself) the artwork would act to remind you of the stories and teachings you have been told. The Protestant Reformation started with Gutenberg, a lot of the earliest printing projects were Bibles, and basic Protestant doctrine is for you to study the Bible. A primary purpose of the early Sunday Schools was to teach adult members how to read so that they could read the Bible. Protestant churches no longer needed all that artwork to remind them of Bible teachings, because all they had to do to remind themselves was to open the book. Whatever the actual reason was, one of the most marked differences in church decor is a Catholic church's graphic crucifix with Jesus nailed upon it and a Protestant church's very plain and unadorned cross. That difference factors into the story. Here's the story:
quote: True story.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8557 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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one of the most marked differences in church decor is a Catholic church's graphic crucifix with Jesus nailed upon it and a Protestant church's very plain and unadorned cross. Not decor. Small addition. The Catholics keep Jesus on the cross as a symbol emphasizing his sacrifice to humanity while the Protestants took Jesus down from the cross as a symbol emphasizing his resurrection.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Two anecdotes:
All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1267 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
technically roman catholicism uses both, but having the crucified christ is essential in establishing the importance of living a sacificial life, one not borne of personal excess.
the "happy christian" stereotype of modern evangelicals where god is a magical panacea and all opposers to them are demonic is not necessarily christian. jim caviezel did a good talk about how the life of the christian is one largely of suffering https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9z-dMQjRBE Edited by messenjaH of oNe, : No reason given. Edited by messenjaH of oNe, : No reason given. Edited by messenjaH of oNe, : No reason given. Edited by messenjaH of oNe, : No reason given. Edited by messenjaH of oNe, : No reason given. Edited by messenjaH of oNe, : No reason given. Edited by messenjaH of oNe, : No reason given. Edited by messenjaH of oNe, : No reason given. Edited by messenjaH of oNe, : No reason given. Edited by messenjaH of oNe, : No reason given. Edited by messenjaH of oNe, : No reason given. Edited by messenjaH of oNe, : No reason given.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1531 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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This movie made a huge impact on 10 year old me.I did not quite understand it but never forgot it. Later in life I watched it again and enjoyed it very much. It is wonderfully shot and is entertaining. Some of these old 70's films are fantastic! I recommend. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1267 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
this looks great thanks
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1267 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
The greatest filmmaker of all-time was a Christian
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I went on a Tarkovsky binge a few years ago, but I didn't know he was a Christian.
Weird: ever since that binge whenever I hear a dog barking in the far distance I think of his films. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5951 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Tarkovsky ... , but I didn't know he was a Christian. Sorry. Russian Orthodox. Actual orthodox, not your imagined orthodox. And the wrong kind of Christian for your liking. For that matter, do you even consider the Orthodox churches to be Christian? It can be so difficult for outsiders to keep fundie beliefs straight.
ABE: When working with foreign films, especially ones more foreign as is the case with Russian film, it can be difficult to tell what is due to the director's unique perspective and what just comes from that national genre. For example, we had briefly discussed Hermann Hesse's Das Glasperlenspiel ("The Glass Bead Game", AKA "Magister Ludi"). Hesse's work is generally introspective and Das Glasperlenspiel was very much that. German literature would tend to dwell on social status keeping up appearances and the dire consequences of losing your status (eg, "Effi Briest" and "Der Blaue Engel" with Marlene Dietrich). Then post-war literature and later film would dwell on youth coming of age and feeling no connection with society rejecting their parents' lifestyle (eg, "A Coffee in Berlin", which is no longer on Netflix USA). Point is that the genre can dictate a lot. What I've seen of Russian film has tended to be atmospheric and brooding (eg, " ", no longer on Netflix, "Hard to be a God", though I had read it in the German translation, "Es ist nicht leicht ein Gott zu sein" (I was surprised decades later when I stumbled upon the English translation in a used book store). Even though I still knew the story, the Russian movie was so heavily atmospheric that I simply could not slog through it, kind of like Solaris must have been for most Americans, only much much worse. A friend in college started reading Tolstoy and what she really noticed was the banquet scenes in which Tolstoy would get into very intimate detail about the food and how it had been prepared. So was Tarkovsky's work uniquely his, or was it very Russian? Maybe both. Edited by dwise1, : ABE
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I vaguely recall that Tarkovsky didn't work in Russia, went to some other country to make his films. Possibly Sweden? He's been compared to Ingmar Bergman. Yes I think they speak Swedish in his films, certainly not Russian.
ABE: Wikipedia says he worked in Italy on a couple films and did "The Sacrifice" in Sweden, that he vowed never to return to the Soviet Union. "Orthodox" is a simple English word that means "Right or true teaching," just as the word "catholic" means "universal." Just because some organization uses a word in its title doesn't mean it's been taken out of circulation and nobody else can use it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5951 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
I vaguely recall that Tarkovsky didn't work in Russia, went to some other country to make his films. Possibly Sweden? Nope! From Wikipedia:
quote: I had only seen Solaris and, having studied Russian, I would have noticed if they weren't speaking Russian.
"Orthodox" is a simple English word that means "Right or true teaching," just as the word "catholic" means "universal." Just because some organization uses a word in its title doesn't mean it's been taken out of circulation and nobody else can use it. I was pointing out that, being Russian Orthodox, your attitude of non-Protestants not of the "correct" sects would be that they are not Christians. That is certainly what I've heard from a great number of fundies.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't know enough about the Orthodox churches to have an opinion about their teaching. I know the papal system is pagan and not Christian although I also know that individual Catholics may be Christians. The same may be true for the Orthodox but as I said I don't know enough about their official doctrine.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I may not have seen Solaris.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5951 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
If you try to find the movie, Solaris, to watch, keep in mind that Tarkovsky's version is from 1972. There was a US remake in 2002 starring George Clooney, which wouldn't be the one you'd want.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1267 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
i can't hack Andrei Rublev, but Stalker definitely saved my life.
i might try the sacrifice tonight
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