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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
We are still technically in an ice age. That has nothing to do with the fact that the climate is changing extremely quickly, largely caused by our industrialization. It has to have something to do with it if it's receding and contributing to global warming.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
We all agree that the sedimentary deposits of the past 4500 years are minuscule compared to the billions of years of sedimentary deposits that came before. Aha. Then if we agree on that, surely we can agree that the geological column is over and done with, absolutely kaput.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
By "extent" I mean "extent," geographic extent, surface area. One does not use the term for depth. JonF is doing the usual rationalization of teeny weeny little sedimentary deposits as the continuation of the geological column. When its paltry geographical extent, or its area, is pointed out, this should disqualify any claim to being part of the geological column. You all keep putting up utterly inadequate candidates for that role, either sediments on a paltry scale by comparison though in the right place, or sediments on an enormous scale in the wrong place. None of it works. The Geological Column is Over and Done With. This is obvious in many places, including the Grand Staircase where it comes to a very decided end at the very top in the Claron formation. And these facts I'm discussing now are more evidence of its having ended, which is evidence that it was a singular event that laid down all the strata, an event that has long since ended, which is evidence for the Flood.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4409 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Delusional, fantasy fiction.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Aw, you're just saying that...
And my guess is you don't even know what I'm talking about.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4409 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
And my guess is you don't even know what I'm talking about. A delusional geological column.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
The geologic column is defined as under every point on Earth. If you insist on speaking only of layers on the land, you are not talking about the geologic column. Use a different term.
Especially since there are plenty of huge layers under the oceans and they are still building. You can't admit that the places where lots of deposition is taking place are the places where lots of deposition is taking place.
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
No, but there are places where it is so extensive there is no doubting that its overall extent far exceeds anything being deposited today. Except in the places where almost all the deposition is happening, on top of the geologic column.
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
commandeer the ocean beds as the next layer of the geo column, are ...I'm trying to avoid insulting language ... how about "inadequate.
No, that's not appropriate, nor is" commandeer ". The geologic column by definition, now and in the past and in the future, underlies everywhere on Earth, including the oceans. That's a fact, with which many YECs agree. You are entitled to your opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts. The geologic column underlies all the Earth. You are trying to define "transportation" as "gasoline engined vehicles" and insisting that diesel, wind, and pedal-driven vehicles are not transportation.
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
It isn't contributing significantly to global warming. We are the problem.
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Then if we agree on that, surely we can agree that the geological column is over and done with, absolutely kaput.
Does not follow. The geologic column continues to grow in areas of net deposition, such as the ocean floors. It grows exceedingly slowly, but it grows.
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
teeny weeny little sedimentary deposits as the continuation of the geological column.
Any deposition, teeny weeny or huge, is extending the geologic column. But the ocean floors are large. There's no such thing as sediments on any scale in the wrong places. All places on Earth are right. I posted three definitions that agree with us and refute you. I can dig up plenty more. You have no support for your version except your pitiful need to exclude almost all the places of net deposition.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 616 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
You say we're in the end part of an Ice Age. How many ice ages do you think there have been since the end of your flood (which took place, as near as can be calculated from the Bible, during the Egyptian Sixth Dynasty)?
Even if there were only one Ice Age in the handful of centuries since the Sixth Dynasty, is that really enough time, considering the number of layers in ice cores and the slow rate of advance of glaciers?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
No, but there are places where it is so extensive there is no doubting that its overall extent far exceeds anything being deposited today. ... except when you look at the actual time for those accumulations and compare them to the rates of accumulation we see today, it all falls in place. Literally. So your problem comes down to time, and what is real actual time. Again I direct you to Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1 which shows that (a) there was no flood for the duration of the annual counting methods for measuring time, and (b) that there was plenty of time for the slow accumulation of sediments on the ocean bottoms that later became Utah. For example: From Message 831 we see 35 meters deposited over 42,000 years at Lake Suigetsu. That's 0.8333 mm per year, and over a million years that would result in sediment 833.33 m thick. We know this time because of the annual layers of the diatom/clay varves, confirmed by 14C dating calibrations. Plenty. Given actual geological time. Without any floods. Enjoy Edited by Admin, : Fix obvious typo: "833.33 km" => "833.33 m"by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
From Message 831 we see 35 meters deposited over 42,000 years at Lake Suigetsu. That's 0.8333 mm per year, and over a million years that would result in sediment 833.33 km thick. We know this time because of the annual layers of the diatom/clay varves, confirmed by 14C dating calibrations. 35 meters in 42,00o years is 0.833 mm per year fine. But 1 million times that is only 833,300 mm which is 833 meters not kms.
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