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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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From what I understand you alt-Reich neo-Nazis kill more of us Americans than any other group foreign or domestic.
We could be a lot better off by getting rid of you and opening the border. Just saying. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
i'm not a nazi. welcome to my ignore list.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Ok not a nazi. Then just a garden variety racist.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
i'm not racist. we're all descended from adam and eve.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Please show one prominent Democrat that has advocated for an open border. Answer the question I posed already and I'll answer yours. If you don't want open borders then what do you want? "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1260 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
theodoric and azpaul3 have unwittingly provided ample evidence of hell. being in hearing distances of these dunces having an intellectual discussion.
Edited by messenjaH of oNe, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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That is not how that works. You are claiming that most Democrats want open borders. Please show a prominent Democrat advocating for open borders. Once you clear that up, you can look at what the candidates are advocating for immigration reform. A number of them have policy papers on the subject. I have yet to see any call for open borders.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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No open borders here.
Elizabeth Warren's stance on immigration Edited by Theodoric, : subtitleFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
The government will need $1.7 trillion per year under a no co-pay (like Sanders seems to have) plan, or about $1.1 trillion under a plan where people pay 20% co-pays. (Medicaid is generally free, so that will be a no co-pay plan)
Then the $400-$500 billion savings in eliminating the insurance companies becomes vital in cost analysis. The Sanders plan has a real cost of about $1.2 trillion a year, not $3-3.5 trillion, like the media keeps harping. The others have a cost of about $600-$700 billion per year. (Medicare-For-All with 20% co-pays) I suspect Sanders plan would require a 10% flat tax, which would be roughly in-between the 6% ObamaCare tax for the Bronze plan, or 12% for the Gold (or Silver) plan. The 6% plan has a deductible of about $5000 a year, and only 60% coverage of covered costs. The 12% plan covers 80% of covered costs and has a much smaller deductible. But on to the drug issue.
quote: Banks earn more profits per year than drug companies. Banks earned $67 billion in profits last year. Pharmaceutical companies have a profit margin of less than 20% (more like 15% I think) Even assuming, every last penny in profits will be taken, that will only be a 1.5-2% dent in total healthcare costs. And it will have a major effect (very negative for us all) on drug development. (unless the government agrees to take up the cost of R & D like never before) How about taking bank profits instead of pharmaceutical profits? (perhaps they can be used for the poorly devised & ruinous price control schemes Democrats and Donald Trump are pushing?) Why can't Donald Trump and the Democrats understand the value of industries and professions relative to one another?
quote: Democrats (and Trump) want to avoid funding health care coverage for prescription drugs, but want to nickle and dime the pharmaceutical industry to the point of cutting all of our throats. Why are banks a sacred cow? What do banks do? What innovation do they bring?
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
quote: Source from a liberal rag so you can't conveniently dismiss it Now answer the question that I asked first... If you or other Democrats don't want open borders, then what do you want when it comes to immigration? "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
quote: Democratic candidates often want to use people for votes. The 2 anti-decriminalization Colorado candidates are examples of that (Hickenlopper, to his credit, is pro free-trade, unlike the worthless & dishonest Bennett) Others candidates are more sincere in putting their political butts on the line to defend immigrants. Booker and Warren come to mind. Decriminalization means there is lots of border control (like Castro pointed out tonight), but those who make it past the border get fined for the civil violation. Americans feel paperless (the law actually says "paperless" though we call them illegal immigrants) immigrants should be put on a pathway to citizenship. Biden opposed decriminalization and supports paperless immigrants being charged as criminals and then (possibly) deported, as we saw him say tonight. 20% of Republicans support charging illegal immigrants in civil court (thus the immigrants will not be criminally "illegal"), and 13% of the grand old party is undecided. 24% of Democrats support charging the immigrants as criminals. Only 67% of Republicans want to make the "illegal" immigrants criminals.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
Decriminalize the Border? Obviously. But Then What?
Part of the article.
quote: The immigration controls started in 1924, but immigration was not a crime until 1929. The "crime" was not effectively charged that way until 2004. The 1929 law was almost unused for 75 years.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2313 Joined: |
250 18 to 34 year-olds
260 35 to 49 year-olds 280 50 to 64 year-olds 210 65+ year olds The results: 317 said "Face civil fines" 413 said "Be subject to criminal prosecution" A 9.6% gap in favor of making migrants criminals. But 27% were undecided https://thehill.com/...il-fines-for-illegal-border-crossings BUT LOOK AT THE RESULTS FOR THOSE UNDER 50 The 250 18 to 34 year-olds answered the poll saying: 141 (or 56%) said there should only be a fine, while 61 (24%) said there should be criminal charges, and 48 (19%) were undecided. There were 260 35-49 year olds polled. They said: 69 said fine ( 27%). 110 said it should be a crime (42%). 81 were not sure (31%). That is 510 under 50, and 210 to 171 supported decriminalization, with 129 not sure.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Hyroglyphx writes: If you or other Democrats don't want open borders, then what do you want when it comes to immigration? Since I am a Republican and not a Democrat I hope I'm still allowed to post what I'd like to see. What existed for over 200 years, a Welcoming Border. Set up Welcoming Facilities where immigrants can be checked for infectious diseases, where they can be provided any immediate treatment needed, where they can learn basics US laws and what they can and cannot do, where they can get assistance in finding jobs or transportation to join family or friends already in the US. If an immigrant commits a crime in the US there is already a legal system in place to deal with it; however all of the evidence so far is that immigrants are generally more law abiding than the general citizenry.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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... I'm curious to know what precisely most Democrats want when it comes to the border. ... I would like a very lenient border that encourages immigration, with a work to citizenship program. Similar to the old indentured servants when the country was founded, but with more rights: as long as you stay in the program you get living wage and benefits, and there would be night classes in english and American history, including the constitution. After 5 years you take your citizenship exam. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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