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AZPaul3
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Message 421 of 953 (859551)
08-01-2019 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 420 by Faith
08-01-2019 1:11 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Soe why is Trump being singled out?
Maybe because he's an asshole and needs to be constantly shouted down?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 422 of 953 (859552)
08-01-2019 1:16 PM
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08-01-2019 10:47 AM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Yes, Maryland's Seventh District includes parts of Baltimore. It also includes parts of Columbia, which has been rated as one of the safest communities in the US. The 7th rates above median for average income among Congressional districts, and rates 2nd among black majority districts for both average income and level of education. If the 7th was white majority, would Trump have described it as a rat-infested failure? In fact, if Cummings was a white Republican, he'd probably be praise for the awesome job he's doing.
Well, here's the real problem as I see it. If Trump calls it a "rat-infested hellhole," again, that is not the tone or tenor a sitting President needs to be making. But the implication is that it was deliberately said with the goal of making a jab against black people. Look, the DNC has to stop wielding their race-baiting agenda like a hammer. Every time an accusation like that is wielded inappropriately, it dilutes and water-downs legitimate racism and racist rhetoric. This controversial non-controversy is that its a cheap tactic that the DNC has been using in its playbook for a long, long time. Look at the DNC debates... what has garnered the largest attention? The spat between Biden and Harris concerning whether or not Biden is a racist. I mean, curiously he wasn't a racist for the 8 years he worked for a black president... did you hear anyone mention that? Interesting. But now that its an expedient towards defeating him, pull out the racist hammer and bash people over the head with it. I'm no fan of Biden, I think he's a train wreck... but the bigger issue is the way the DNC has weaponized racist accusations. And its the same thing with the border controversy... it must be about "brown people" and not droves of unvetted people streaming across the border. And then there's the obsession with neo-nazi's, which hilariously makes up such a tiny fraction of the population. But hear the way CNN talks about it like there's a large standing army of white nationalists. Lol, what? Its gotta stop... because these kinds of accusations are precisely is what feeding into racial animosity, not ameliorating it.
By strange coincidence, Trump doesn't call these areas rat infested hellholes.
Yeah, of course not... that's his base. He thinks of them as "hardworking Americans that got the shaft from the Obama Administration." Its all political bullshit. The Rust Belt sucks.... I wish it didn't. It used the be the envy of the world, but it has deteriorated into a rat-infested hellhole.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 423 of 953 (859553)
08-01-2019 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 406 by Trump won
07-31-2019 10:49 PM


I didn't read the live blog, so I can't speak for what was and was not said.
I do recall though, during the transition before Trump's inauguration, Krugman predicted the markets would react badly to Trump's election.
They didn't. Unlike conservative economists, though, Krugman admitted he was wrong and explain the assumptions that went into his prediction and why those assumptions were incorrect.
Pretty much what I expect from an authority on a subject if they are to retain my respect.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Faith 
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Message 424 of 953 (859554)
08-01-2019 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 389 by DrJones*
07-31-2019 3:45 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Trump said to go back where she came from IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH THEIR CRIME PROBLEMS before telling us how to deal with it here. And it's just the usual leftist confusion of a simple practical point with racism. Trump never says anything racist ever, but the left turns ordinary comments about policy and practicality into racism.

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Message 425 of 953 (859555)
08-01-2019 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 417 by AZPaul3
08-01-2019 1:01 PM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
Right wingers have a tendency of believing, without question, anything that reinforces their belief set. There is no attempt to vet the source or find the original source of data. A quick 5 minute search would have exposed issues with the video. Rightwingers seemingly have an inability to tell the difference between actual journalism and propaganda.
Making assertions without data to back it is meaningless. Assertions must have facts to back them. A good sign that an argument is bs is the lack of supporting facts and data.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Faith 
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Message 426 of 953 (859556)
08-01-2019 1:21 PM
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08-01-2019 1:18 PM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
Speaking of the difference between actual journalism and propaganda, just about all we get from the media these days is propaganda, just like we hear Trump accused of racism all the time though he's never said a racist word.. May I recommend again Mark Levin's latest book, "Unfreedom of the Press."
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 427 of 953 (859557)
08-01-2019 1:24 PM
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08-01-2019 1:17 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Faith writes:
Trump said to go back where she came from IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH THEIR CRIME PROBLEMS before telling us how to deal with it here.
He was explicitly talking about other countries, not their own districts in America:
quote:
So interesting to see ‘Progressive’ Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run, link
And he clearly didn't bother to check the facts about what contries they supposedly came from.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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ringo
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Message 428 of 953 (859558)
08-01-2019 1:26 PM
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08-01-2019 1:21 PM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
Faith writes:
... we hear Trump accused of racism all the time though he's never said a racist word.
You couldn't possibly know that.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Faith 
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Message 429 of 953 (859559)
08-01-2019 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 421 by AZPaul3
08-01-2019 1:14 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Actually it's because he tells it like it is and nobody else does. Baltimore IS a rat-infested hellhole and that's a fact, not racism. I'll name them againj: Elijah Cummings himslef said so, so did the previous mayor of Baltimore, and so did Bernie Sanders.
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Message 430 of 953 (859561)
08-01-2019 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 418 by Faith
08-01-2019 1:05 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
You know who gets to decide what's racist? Non-whites.
quote:
Trump began talking negatively about Cummings and Baltimore in a series of tweets on July 27. In a Quinnipiac University poll conducted from July 25 to July 28 -- two days before the tweets, the day of the tweets, and one day after the tweets -- Trump had a 6% approval rating and 84% disapproval rating with black voters. Eighty percent of black voters said Trump is racist, while just 11% said he is not.
A Fox News poll conducted from July 21 to July 23 had Trump at 75% disapproval among black registered voters, with 22% approval. In a Washington Post/ABC News poll conducted June 28 to July 1, 81% of African Americans said they disapproved; 18% approved. Both of those approval numbers were substantially better than the one in the new Quinnipiac poll, but still: On the whole, large majorities of African Americans were displeased with him

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AZPaul3
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Message 431 of 953 (859562)
08-01-2019 1:37 PM
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08-01-2019 1:30 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Actually it's because he tells it like it is and nobody else does.
Naw. It's because he's an asshole and needs to be constantly shouted down.
The rat-infested hellholes are his son's properties in the district.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 432 of 953 (859563)
08-01-2019 1:41 PM
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08-01-2019 1:30 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Some of Baltimore is a rat-infested hell hole. Some of it is seriously upscale. Much of it is in between.
I'll name them againj: Elijah Cummings himslef said so, so did the previous mayor of Baltimore, and so did Bernie Sanders.
Quotes, please.

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JonF
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Message 433 of 953 (859564)
08-01-2019 1:45 PM
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08-01-2019 1:37 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Actually none of Kushner's properties are in Cummings' district.

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AZPaul3
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Message 434 of 953 (859566)
08-01-2019 2:03 PM
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08-01-2019 1:45 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
I stand corrected.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 435 of 953 (859567)
08-01-2019 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 422 by Hyroglyphx
08-01-2019 1:16 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
The spat between Biden and Harris concerning whether or not Biden is a racist. I mean, curiously he wasn't a racist for the 8 years he worked for a black president... did you hear anyone mention that? Interesting.
See, you're paying attention to the wrong media sources. She did not accuse him of being racist. In fact, she prefaced her remarks by saying she didn't believe he was racist but, read on...
https://www.cnbc.com/...nd-working-with-segregationists.html
I ask you to show me in that encounter when she claimed racism on Biden's part.
Shame on Tulsi Gabbard for mangling the Harris/Biden exchange, and shame on you too.

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