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Theodoric
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Message 436 of 953 (859570)
08-01-2019 2:31 PM
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08-01-2019 2:04 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
This is just another example of right wing concern trolling and the media attempting to bait the Dem nominees to attack each other. Once you actually look at the actual facts, there is nothing there.
Rightwingers will continually trust sources that are lying to them. It reinforces their world view of hate and supremacy.
Tulsi Gabbard has held some reprehensible positions in the past. She has shown repeatedly that she has no shame.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 437 of 953 (859572)
08-01-2019 2:39 PM
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08-01-2019 1:17 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
Trump said to go back where she came from IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH THEIR CRIME PROBLEMS before telling us how to deal with it here.
right and it's just sheer coincidence that he told 4 POCs to go back where they came from and hasn't said it to any of the white people criticizing him. Never mind the fact that 3 out of the 4 were born in the US.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
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Theodoric
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Message 438 of 953 (859577)
08-01-2019 3:52 PM
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07-31-2019 11:12 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
and most of the homeless population refuses to live there because it is, among other things, rampant with violence, inundated by drug use, rapes are routine, and infested with parasites. It has not moved the needle one iota with their give them a fish for the day rather than teaching them to fish mentality. In fact, the homeless population has increased ten-fold.
Care to provide data or sources? I am sorry, you do not have a great track record of accurately representing the truth. This could be very accurate, but right now it is just assertions.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 439 of 953 (859579)
08-01-2019 3:58 PM
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07-31-2019 11:12 PM


Homelessness is a crisis that must be addressed
It looks like Austin city council is not only aware of the isues but are actively working to address them.
quote:
The Austin Resource Center for the Homeless (ARCH) at Seventh and Neches streets Downtown is transforming its operations and reducing its bed count from 165 to about 130. Going forward, the ARCH will no longer be a drop-in shelter; clients will need to be referred from other service providers, and engage in case management aimed at placing them in housing, in order to stay there.
With fewer beds at the ARCH, Front Steps, the nonprofit that runs the city-owned shelter, can bring in more case managers to work with those clients and offer services that are individualized to meet their specific needs. Someone exiting the criminal justice system may need assistance with getting an ID; someone else may need support in battling a crippling addiction; another may need extensive job training to put them into a position where they can bring in a stable income. Someone else may have been laid off and just needs a place to stay for a week or two until they can find work and get back on their feet. "We need our shelters to meet people where they are on the spectrum of homelessness," Briseo said. "If we put people in an environment they are not ready for, they are less likely to be successful."
How Austin Is Tackling Homelessness on the Street and at City Hall: More shelters, more beds, and more fights about ordinances ahead - News - The Austin Chronicle
quote:
"We did a 30-day pilot, it's been almost two years ago now, where we had APD here for 24 hours a day for one month and there was probably a reduction of 50 to 60% of just sheer numbers of individuals outside and the violence went down dramatically," McCormack said.
ARCH location has become 'difficult place' for shelter to be, says Front Steps
Pretending people do not exist does not make them go away.
What is your solution to this issue?
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 440 of 953 (859582)
08-01-2019 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 422 by Hyroglyphx
08-01-2019 1:16 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
But the implication is that it was deliberately said with the goal of making a jab against black people.
I don't know how much of what Trump does or says is deliberate. It's perfectly plausible that Trump sees a black person and instinctively thinks "rat-infested hell hole" and starts saying things without giving any thought to it. It's plausible that Trump sees a black member of Congress and just reflexively thinks, "she should go back to her own country," and starts tweeting without further thought. It's possible that "MS-13" is just his automatic reaction when the southern border is mentioned.
At any rate, Trump constantly says incorrect or exaggerated things that have traditionally been believed by racists. He constantly says things that have racist implications. He constantly pushes for policies that have a disproportionate impact on minority communities. His campaign plays on racist fears. He is supported by racist organizations.
We don't have to look at each statement he makes as if it were on isolated instance and wonder whether it is racist. Trump shows a clear pattern of being racist, and if he says something that could be construed as racist then it is entirely appropriate to assume it is racist.
Every time an accusation like that is wielded inappropriately, it dilutes and water-downs legitimate racism and racist rhetoric.
Not only is the accusation not inappropriate in this case, but I suspect that the only people who are offended by calling Trump a racist are the racists who support Trump's racism.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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JonF
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Message 441 of 953 (859584)
08-01-2019 5:31 PM
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08-01-2019 5:11 PM


Re: Krugman on "American carnage"
And arguably the most racist of Americans, white supremacists, see him as one of them.

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dwise1
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Message 442 of 953 (859592)
08-01-2019 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 426 by Faith
08-01-2019 1:21 PM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
May I recommend again Mark Levin's latest book, ...
A right-wingnut and a conspiracy theorist. Why should we want to read a pack of lies?
I would recommend Senior Chief Petty Officer Malcolm Nance, USN (retired), who worked for about 35 years in the intelligence community (including conducting SERE training), including combat with the Iranians (at least they had fired on him -- ). I first heard him on the Dean Obeidallah Show talking about al-Qaeda, their organization and tactics, and how to combat them (he learned Arabic and Russian, BTW), and I could tell that he really knows his s-h-i-t (Navy-speak -- the military ear and eye are very acute when it comes to detecting "stolen valor", wanna-be's trying to pass themselves off). Take that link to the Wikipedia page on him for a complete list of his eight (8) books (6 on combating terrorism, mostly Islamic), but the two pertinent recent ones are:
Senior had been a life-long Republican until that party defected to the East, and he owns guns, so please stifle your "left-ist" bullshirt. Like all military veterans, he swore a oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, both foreign and domestic -- as a retiree like me, he has sworn that oath several times, every time he reenlisted. Like many veterans (I would hope), he took that oath seriously, as do I.
Your Mark Levin has none of those qualifications. While Malcolm Nance has decades of very practical, very hands-on experience in these matters, Levin has none.
You need to give Malcolm Nance a good listen.

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Chiroptera
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Message 443 of 953 (859593)
08-01-2019 8:00 PM
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08-01-2019 7:49 PM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
Like all military veterans, he swore a oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, both foreign and domestic....
Just an aside, all officers of the federal government (and most state governments) have to take the same oath.
I did when I was part of the Peace Corps.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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dwise1
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Message 444 of 953 (859601)
08-02-2019 12:41 AM
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08-01-2019 1:21 PM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
... just like we hear Trump accused of racism all the time though he's never said a racist word..
First, telling somebody to go back to where they came from is very racist and has been for many decades. It is a very common slur that racists hurl against "the others".
Your cluelessness informs me that you are white, Caucasian (so should we deport you back to the Caucasus Mountains?), so nobody ever said that to you. Same here (though Celtic, not no feckin' Saxon!). Have you ever tried to walk a mile in the non-white's shoes? No, of course not. In your brand of Christianity, empathy does not exist.
 
Whether Trump is personally racist or not does not matter. Personally, I'm inclined to think that he is, but that is irrelevant to the discussion.
Trump doesn't act nor speak out of his own personal convictions, since he has none as far as we can tell. For him, everything is about him and about how he can benefit from it. He will literally say or do anything at all just so long as he ends up getting what he wants.
There was something from the 2016 campaign reporting that really struck me. A woman fresh out of a Trump rally was being interviewed. She described how she had been following the Trump campaign and how it all left her seriously troubled about what he would do as President. So she approached him and expressed her concerns to him. He assured her that he didn't mean any of what he was saying, but rather he was just saying what his followers wanted to hear. And that made her a Trump follower.
So what is more scary?
That he would say anything at all, just so long as it was what his followers wanted him to say? That would mean that he stood for nothing at all, that he has no personal standards.
Or that that woman would be persuaded to follow a monster like that? That that is what his followers are like?
So then, does it matter at all whether Trump is personally racist? Or that that core of his followers are racist and that he will readily make any overtly racist statement, express any overtly racist sentiment that would appeal to his racist followers?
Trump is deliberately fueling racism. Whether he is personally racist (which I would not doubt) or not makes no difference.

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dwise1
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Message 445 of 953 (859602)
08-02-2019 1:10 AM
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08-01-2019 8:00 PM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
DWise1 writes:
Like all military veterans, he swore a oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, both foreign and domestic....
Just an aside, all officers of the federal government (and most state governments) have to take the same oath.
I did when I was part of the Peace Corps.
Hu-ah!
So why did so few of them actually mean it?
Even though I was never at a level to conduct such military planning, what can we expect to happen as Trump approaches the end of his term, which would be the end of his OLC-memo protection against being criminally liable for his criminal acts? What final act of distraction from his many crimes will he perform? As far as we can see, there are no boundaries, not even the unilateral and pre-emptive use of nuclear weapons. Can you see anything that could possibly hold him back from that? You've heard of a pyrrhic victory in which a victory entails the destruction of the victor -- myself, I was surprised to learn that it had nothing to do with fire. What would a pyrrhic defeat be like? Scorched earth?
When that happens, would anybody in the military chain of command step forward to stop him? Every military officer in that chain of command with any inclination to do so has been systematically eliminated (refer to the NPR Radio Lab episode on that subject, for which I do not have the link right now), since that would be deemed a weak link in our MAD ("mutually assured destruction", not to be confused with our "magnetic anomaly detection" methods of detecting enemy submarines) strategy against our opponent nuclear powers. What about the US Marine Corps guard? Would any one of them step forward to defend the country and the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic? Even if that enemy was the President of the United States himself?
Personally, all I have to look forward to is dying. But I do have a son whose welfare is important to me. And now a grandson whose survival and welfare is also important to me. And, yes, a country to which I am loyal and whose survival is very important and dear to me. I am a fighting man of the United States of America. I will defend my county to my dying breath. I did not serve for 35 years just to see it handed over to Vladimir Putin by an orange clown on a cheap Trump-brand fools' gold-plated plate (along with a coupon for a cheap Trump-brand fake tan).
ABE: Babylon 5
Is this what it must come to to remove Trump from office without him destroying the world to avoid the inevitable criminal prosecutions?
Edited by dwise1, : gold-plated and fake tan
Edited by dwise1, : ABE: Babylon 5. That's how it's done against tyrants.
Edited by dwise1, : the inevitable criminal prosecutions

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Message 446 of 953 (859611)
08-02-2019 8:19 AM
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08-02-2019 1:10 AM


Trump beyond #2
Remember Trump's response related to Xi after term limits were removed in China.
Edited by jar, : fix context

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ringo
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Message 447 of 953 (859644)
08-02-2019 12:10 PM
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08-02-2019 1:10 AM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
dwise1 writes:
So why did so few of them actually mean it?
I used to work for the Canadian federal government. Somebody told me that I must have sworn an oath but I have no memory of it. Maybe it's a bit like accepting the terms and conditions on a website.
Jesus said (Matthew 5:33-37) that we shouldn't swear oaths but we should mean yes when we say yes and no when we say no.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Message 448 of 953 (859649)
08-02-2019 12:21 PM
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08-01-2019 7:49 PM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
Levin's book i s packed with documented information, very very well researched, which includes many pages of references. He's a lawyer who worked in the Reagan administration and he knows what he's talking about.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 449 of 953 (859651)
08-02-2019 12:28 PM
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08-01-2019 5:11 PM


TRUMP IS NOT A RACIST
TRUMP IS NOT A RACIST AND NOTHING HE SAID ABOUT BALTIMORE MAKES HIM A RACIST
Unless you want to say the black former mayor of the city is also a racist for her comments about the place.
Or Bernie Sanders who said it's as bad as any third world country.
Or Elijah Cumminjgs himself whoi was found by Mark Levin's staff saying back in 1999 that Baltimore was "drug-infested" and the people walked around like "zombies."
And Levin reported another find by his staff last night, that Trump himself called New Hampshire "drug-infested" somewhere around the time of his candidacy I think -- and NEW HAMPSHIRE IS 94% WHITE.
TRUMP HAS NOT SAID ONE RACIST THING THOUGH HE'S BEEN CHARGED WITH IT BY THE LEFT ALL THE TIME WHO JUST MAKE IT UP BECAUSE THEY HATE HIM.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 450 of 953 (859652)
08-02-2019 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 449 by Faith
08-02-2019 12:28 PM


Re: TRUMP IS NOT A RACIST
Faith writes:
TRUMP HAS NOT SAID ONE RACIST THING
You don't know that.

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As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
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