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JonF
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Message 466 of 953 (859704)
08-02-2019 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 465 by Faith
08-02-2019 1:17 PM


Re: TRUMP IS NOT A RACIST
Not necessarily. Especially when it attacks a public figure. And, of course, demonstrating that the attack is true is a perfect defense.
quote:
In the context of defamation actions (libel and slander) as well as invasion of privacy, a public figure cannot succeed in a lawsuit on incorrect harmful statements in the United States unless there is proof that the writer or publisher acted with actual malice by knowing the falsity or by reckless disregard for the truth.[2] The legal burden of proof in defamation actions is thus higher in the case of a public figure than in the case of an ordinary person.
It appears to me from researching this that character assassination is not criminal. I wasn't able to find a definitive statement, but everything I found spoke only of civil action.
Good luck proving that an obvious joke is libel.

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JonF
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Message 467 of 953 (859706)
08-02-2019 1:47 PM
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08-02-2019 1:17 PM


Re: TRUMP IS NOT A RACIST
Every statement that follows a logical pattern is right, of course.
Not if the premise is untrue. Trump is a racist according to those who should know;non-whites and white supremacists.
Of course the rest of your message does not follow any logical pattern.

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Message 468 of 953 (859707)
08-02-2019 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 457 by Faith
08-02-2019 12:46 PM


Re: TRUMP IS NOT A RACIST (YES HE IS)
This is the saddest time in American history.
Again I'll point out to you the Civil War. I can only imagine the millions who were affected by hundreds of thousands dead, and others maimed for life.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 469 of 953 (859708)
08-02-2019 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 459 by Faith
08-02-2019 12:53 PM


Re: TRUMP IS NOT A RACIST
Message 458
quote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Faith writes:
I have no idea what you think you are saying but it is certainly a leftist perversion.
It's the fucking 1st amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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dwise1
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Message 470 of 953 (859710)
08-02-2019 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 452 by Faith
08-02-2019 12:35 PM


Re: TRUMP IS NOT A RACIST
That is a disgusting piece of character assassination.
And just exactly how can anyone assassinate a suicide?
Or assassinate something that does not exist? Trump has no character, just as he has no morality. Nor does he believe in anything besides money grubbing and fluffing up his pathetic ego. That must be why "true Christians" love him so much, because he's exactly like them.
The only reasons why he's so intent on staying in office are:
  1. To grift even more money from us (eg, the money funneling into his re-election campaign, money being paid to his golf resorts for his far too frequent golf trips which amounts to more than $100 million now, donors using his hotels to launder bribe money for him (eg, the huge block of rooms "donated" to veteran groups)).
  2. To fluff up his ego.
  3. To exploit that OLC memo that is the only thing protecting him from being indicted for his many and ongoing crimes.
Though what I'm not sure about is, if he does get re-elected, then how will he make up for losing that money that's being laundered through his re-election campaign?
... with irrational hatred of everything good while they work to bring down the country.
There is nothing good about Trump and his swamp monsters. They are destroying America for profit (though I'm sure that some of them just hate the idea of America). Those who are trying to stop them are trying to save America.
So tell us, just why do you hate America so vehemently? Did something frighten you in your high school civics class?

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dwise1
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Message 471 of 953 (859717)
08-02-2019 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 448 by Faith
08-02-2019 12:21 PM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
Levin's book i s packed with documented information, very very well researched, which includes many pages of references.
Yeah, right. Like the creationist books that have been recommended to me for being well documented with many pages of references. They all ended up being poorly documented, plus the authors had never looked at those sources in their bibliographies let alone actually read them, but rather they just copied those bibliographies from their actual creationist sources who had done the same thing themselves going back for many generations. I describe one such situation, Moon Dust, in which the late leading creationist Dr. Henry Morris cited a NASA document as did his actual creationist source, Harold Slusher, whereas just looking at the front cover of that NASA document (which I did, but neither of them ever did until I sent them a xerox copy and even then they denied it) immediately refuted their claim. There's also that "shrinking sun" claim that gets passed around constantly about "300 years of measurements" at the "Boyle Observatory", whereas the title of the proposed paper gives the range of dates which actually amount to about 90 years and the abstract says that the measurements were taken at the Royal Observatory.
Add to that the sticky fact that you are recommending his book as being "very very well researched". From trying to deal with you for years, we are very familiar with your standards for scholarship and evidence, which is any bullshirt nonsense you happen to make up in the moment (much as Trump operates in his incessant lying, and which he has actually bragged about). So a recommendation from you serves as fair warning for what a piece of carp that book must be.
Instead, listen to Malcolm Nance for good gouge. He's easy to find on YouTube.
In this video of a presentation he gave at USC, at about 21 minutes he tells about the original treatment of the George Clooney movie, Three Kings (1999).
Originally it was about a black Navy chief who spoke Arabic, obviously patterned after Chief Nance who was all over the place in Iraq (and who speaks Arabic as well as Russian). Even after changing the characters to Army, the Nance character, a staff sergeant played by Ice Cube, was still called "Chief" even though that makes absolutely no sense in the Army where it's a chief warrant officer who's addressed as "chief".
Here's another video from USC where he analyzes the Mueller Report:
Since Russia was one of his areas, he is very familiar with how Russia and the KGB (which still operates under a different name) work, what their goals are, and how Trump is working towards those goals. But you don't have to be as knowledgeable as Malcolm Nance to realize that Trump is dirty Alpha-Foxtrot.

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Faith 
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Message 472 of 953 (859731)
08-02-2019 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 471 by dwise1
08-02-2019 2:52 PM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
Just from what you said about him I won't bother to listen to him. Sheer propaganda.
My own scholarship and research level is pretty low, I'm no scholar, but I know good scholarship when I see it and Levin is excellent. Not that you'll pay attention to anything I say of course, but might as well put it out there.

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Faith 
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Message 473 of 953 (859732)
08-02-2019 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 469 by Tanypteryx
08-02-2019 1:56 PM


Re: TRUMP IS NOT A RACIST
Oh dear. Try reading in context some time. Duh.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 474 of 953 (859733)
08-02-2019 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 473 by Faith
08-02-2019 4:56 PM


Re: TRUMP IS NOT A RACIST
No one can read your mind.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Faith 
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Message 475 of 953 (859734)
08-02-2019 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 467 by JonF
08-02-2019 1:47 PM


Re: TRUMP IS NOT A RACIST
I was being sarcastic. Sheesh.
As for Trump being a racist, non-whites are following the Leftist lies, and white supremacists don't know the difference between race and culture.
TRUMP IS NO RACIST, but the Left is racist and slanderers and anti-American ideologues.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 476 of 953 (859735)
08-02-2019 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 474 by Tanypteryx
08-02-2019 4:58 PM


Re: TRUMP IS NOT A RACIST
Just read the thread, or the last three or four posts at least, let alone my mind.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 477 of 953 (859750)
08-02-2019 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 468 by ooh-child
08-02-2019 1:50 PM


Re: TRUMP IS NOT A RACIST (YES HE IS)
The Civil War was indeed sad but it didn't threaten the ideological foundations of America. Today's Leftist politics is doing that and will succeed in utterly destroying the nation if it isn't stopped. And since I believe it to be God's judgment on the nation, and the only thing that could turn it back is large scale repentance for the nation's sins, I'm pretty pessimistic about its being stopped.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 478 of 953 (859751)
08-02-2019 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 472 by Faith
08-02-2019 4:55 PM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
Faith writes:
My own scholarship and research level is pretty low, I'm no scholar, but I know good scholarship when I see it....
That sounds a bit oxymoronic to me.

"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie

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Faith 
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Message 479 of 953 (859752)
08-02-2019 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 478 by ringo
08-02-2019 5:55 PM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
Oh nonsense.
I'd drown if I tried to swim the length of a swimming pool but I know an Olympic grade swimmer when I see one.
ABE: I'm going to take that back. I'd get through the whole length but way behind the pack.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 480 of 953 (859753)
08-02-2019 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 479 by Faith
08-02-2019 5:58 PM


Re: Seattle is not Dying
Faith writes:
I'd drown if I tried to swim the length of a swimming pool but I know an Olympic grade swimmer when I see one.
But taking that as an analogy to geology, you'd win every gold medal.

"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie

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