Did the Flood really happen?

Now now now, I never said that "geological processes have ended." I said the Geological COLUMN, otherwise known as the Geological Timescale, has ended.ABE: That is, defined in the only way that makes any sense, there are no processes continuing that are truly the same as those of the geological column, what you are all claiming as its continuation has no resemblance to it. It is dead, Razzy, over and done with. Geological processes of all sorts continue, but not the same processes that built the Geo Column, and this is demonstrable just by comparing them. They are not the same processes.The Geological Column is OVER AND DONE WITH.And that is evidence for .... Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

This is science, not theology.Science uses definitions to describe reality. Theology uses definitions to redefine reality.Here you are trying to redefine reality for your own purposes. You are engaged in theology, not in science.Reality is that time has not stopped and depositation is still continuing at present and into the future. It is most definitely not over and done with.

I'm sure I've read more books than you've ever had in your bookcases. However, I am not in a library, I'm on the public computer in my apartment building. Nothing but computers here. And unfortunately my eyes are getting so bad I don't even try to read whole books any more. But one of my favorite talk show hosts with a background in diet and health recommended Bilberry extract for macular degeneration, and although there is a small amount of that in the formula I take I'm going to get a concentrated form of the extract and see if it helps. Nevertheless I must confess that I often miss stuff on the forum just because there's so much of it.

Actually I'm the one defining the reality, the actual reality, the real reality, the bona fide physical reality known as the Geological Column. Everybody else is pretending unrelated stuff is the column. This is an unfortunate deception. Time doesn't stop but the Geo Time Scale has indeed stopped.Funny how y'all claim that science would be very happy to accept a falsification of its theories, but as a matter of fact when such falsifications are presented scientists rationalize them away. This is what happens in a paradigm clash, and it's happening here, has happened many times here.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

That requires an actual falsification. Presenting completely made-up bullshirt nonsense does not qualify as a falsification.

Oh and namecalling is another form of rationalizing it away.

We all thought you were joking. No one will ever see your BS as anything but a joke.

Part of it does. Just as part of it is in the Southwest US.If you insist on a complete column to be part of the geologic column you are excluding almost all of the land. Including your beloved Grand CanyonIf you will accept an incomplete column as part of the geologic column, define where the cutoff is and justify your choice. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

Geologic processes unavoidably produce the geologic column. No more geologic column requires that geologic processes not be active.

Big problem. That definition is incompatible with the definition everyone else uses, and the six versions I have posted. You don't get to redefine standard and widely used terms. Nothing else is necessary to define something, but that something is not the geologic column of long and widespread use.Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

So all the world except you is wrong. Quite a delusion. We do have a strong tendency to require evidence before changing our minds, especially when redefining standard and widely used terms. So far the only evidence produced is your sincere and strongly held belief. That's not convincing.(Remember repeating unsupported claims is not evidence. I do expect you to ignore this and repeat your claims.)

We've explained why your claims are "completely made-up bullshirt nonsense" over and over again in many different ways. All you've done is repeat your claims.Do you at least admit that nobody but you accepts those claims? Not just here, but worldwide.Who but you believes those claims?

quote:

---

There is no problem with defining the Geo Column as the strata we find in various forms on all the continents from Precambrian to Holocene

---

Other than the fact that we only find it in a few regions. Everywhere else one or more periods are completely missing. And if you insist on only counting those regions you need to show that deposition has ended there. And you haven’t even tried to do that.

quote:

---

Nothing else is necessary to the definition and by this definition we have no further growth of the Geological Column.

---

Aside from the fact that you’ve made up an idiosyncratic definition in an attempt to prove your claim - which is a form of deception, and the fact that proving it is useless to you without the deception - there is the fact that you haven’t even tried to prove it.I will also point out that since numerous marine strata are known, refusing to count strata laid down under the sea would remove much of the geological column.For the geological column to end by the standard definitions, it must be the case thar no new rock will ever be produced. Given the fact that there are regions of net deposition, this claim is - on the face of it - ridiculous. But that is the one you really want to prove.

quote:

---

Actually I'm the one defining the reality, the actual reality, the real reality, the bona fide physical reality known as the Geological Column.

---

So you think that you are God.You aren’t. Your definitions have no authority over human usage let alone a special claim to be reality. Even if the definition is not made up simply to win an argument.

quote:

---

Everybody else is pretending unrelated stuff is the column.

---

Which simply means that everyone else is using the standard definition.

quote:

---

This is an unfortunate deception.

---

Honesty is not deception. The only deceiver is you with your definition game. You’re just upset it isn’t working. (Although why you would expect it to work beats me. It is just too obvious)

quote:

---

Time doesn't stop but the Geo Time Scale has indeed stopped.

---

That would be a different thing from Faith’s idiosyncratic idea of the geological column has stopped growing. And certainly it is not one you can prove. There is no way to show that current sedimentary deposits will never become rock. And the fact that you exclude modern marine, lake or desert deposits while accepting strata formed from ancient marine, lake and desert deposits only reinforces the point.

quote:

---

Funny how y'all claim that science would be very happy to accept a falsification of its theories, but as a matter of fact when such falsifications are presented scientists rationalize them away.

---

I guess you must be using idiosyncratic definitions for falsification and rationalise at least. To provide an actual falsification you would need to use the definitions current in science and actually provide evidence on that basis.

quote:

---

This is what happens in a paradigm clash, and it's happening here, has happened many times here.

---

What is happening is that your pathetic deception is being rightly rejected as the joke it is.

it's not faith, Faith, it's what the objective empirical physical geological evidence shows. It's what the evidence from the past shows. It's what the continuing processes of the geological cycle show. The known geological processes explain ALL the evidence, not just cherry picked portions taken out of context to bolster a magical fantasy belief.Believing something else happened by magic (because no evidence for it) is faith, Faith.Enjoy