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Author Topic:   I Know That God Does Not Exist
Faith 
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Message 1756 of 3207 (859848)
08-03-2019 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1243 by AZPaul3
07-10-2019 9:28 AM


Re: chances
Oh, I understand religion quite well. Not only have I seen the result of religion's butchery of the human body and of the human spirit -
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What butchery?
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What religion?:

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Faith 
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Message 1757 of 3207 (859849)
08-03-2019 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1737 by Sarah Bellum
08-02-2019 11:56 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Sure. It means your god doesn't exist.
Because something which is not detectable (and will never be detected) is no different from something that doesn't exist.
A difference that makes no difference is not a difference.
I believe I said, or meant to say anyway, that He's not SCIENTIFICALLY detectable. Because He' s not physical. He' Spirit. Or maybe Mind would be the better word for the sake of clarity. Are there scientific tools to detect a mind? Don't think so. Does that mean minds don't exist? No, it takes other means than science to detect a mind. Such as having a mind in the ordinary case, or in the case of God, having a born-again spirit.
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Message 1758 of 3207 (859853)
08-03-2019 6:52 PM
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08-03-2019 5:39 PM


basics Faith, just basics.
Faith writes:
Are there scientific tools to detect a mind?
Of course there are and they have been in use on non-human animals since 1875 and human animals since 1929.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 1759 of 3207 (859854)
08-03-2019 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1757 by Faith
08-03-2019 5:39 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
You say, "He's not SCIENTIFICALLY detectable." By that you mean he's only detectable by faith, is that correct?
If so, then "He" doesn't really exist.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 1760 of 3207 (859855)
08-03-2019 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1745 by ringo
08-03-2019 11:50 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
I bring up evidence because drawing conclusions contrary to the evidence is irrational. I bring up falsifiability because believing in things that are not falsifiable is irrational.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 1761 of 3207 (859856)
08-03-2019 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1744 by ringo
08-03-2019 11:47 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
You say you're "not sure"? Care to explain why you're not sure?
On the other topic, you don't like my description of your god, which, it seems to me, is common to the monotheistic faiths. You want me to show that "all ideas about" a deity are irrational. But I've already shown that the pagan thunderbolt-throwing, thread-of-life-snipping, chariot-of-the-sun-driving ideas of god are irrational.
What idea of god is left? Is your god a twelve inch tall plastic doll invented in 1959 by Ruth Handler? In that case, yes, your "god" is rational, because Barbie does indeed exist.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 1762 of 3207 (859857)
08-03-2019 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1743 by ringo
08-03-2019 11:41 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
ringo writes:
sarah bellum writes:
At least we got you to admit that you can demonstrate that something isn't there by looking for it and not finding it.
I have never said otherwise. I have said that not finding something is no guarantee that it doesn't exist.
Sigh. You contradict yourself. You contain multitudes.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 1763 of 3207 (859858)
08-03-2019 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1738 by Phat
08-03-2019 1:26 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
This is getting rather insulting. I've written a good number of posts describing the irrationality of all this deity stuff. Here's the latest one (from message 1735)
quote:
One idea of a deity is an omnipotent, omniscient being that gives humans free will. That's a contradiction (irrational) in terms. We can flip a coin and say it's random - we have no control over whether it lands heads or tails. We can offer a dog two brands of dog food and see which one the dog chooses, saying the dog has the free will to choose.
But an omnipotent, omniscient being flipping a coin knows what will come up. Such a being would also know what choice a dog, or cat, or human or anything would make, because a human is no more complex to an omnipotent, omniscient being than a flipped coin.
By the way, how could a deity "rest" (like on the seventh day). Being omnipotent, the deity would consider a day of work no more tiring than a day of doing nothing, hence there would be no "resting".
You get the idea: irrational!
If people want to read and respond to my posts, they should feel free to do so, but replies like "why won't you fill in my blanks" are just dodges by people who cannot muster coherent arguments.

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 1764 of 3207 (859859)
08-03-2019 9:02 PM
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08-03-2019 1:32 AM


Re: No evidence = irrational
Sorry I got the wires crossed.
Ringo is a bit incoherent, but I believe that Ringo has conceded that the belief in a deity is irrational. Ringo only wants to talk about the idea of a deity in and of itself, rather than a belief, and then discuss whether or not that idea is irrational.

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Faith 
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Message 1765 of 3207 (859866)
08-03-2019 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1759 by Sarah Bellum
08-03-2019 8:30 PM


Re: No evidence = irrational
OK, only by faith, which is very real to those who have it: "faith is the substance of things unseen, the evidence of things hoped for." So if you say God's only being knowable by faith really means he doesn't exist you are simply denying others' claims to know Him by a means you don't possess. It's therefore just your own need to disbelieve it that insists He doesn't exist when others say He does and they experience His existence. It's not proof in other words, you haven't proved that God does not exist.
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AZPaul3
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Message 1766 of 3207 (859870)
08-04-2019 12:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1756 by Faith
08-03-2019 5:31 PM


Re: chances
What butchery?
Israel vs Canaan
The Cirraean War (First Sacred War)
Second Sacred War
Third Sacred War
Fourth Sacred War
Muslim Conquests
Frisian Uprisings
The Crusades I thru VI
The Umayyad Conquest & Reconquista
French Religious Wars
Thirty Years' War
Taiping Rebellion
Lebanese Civil War
The Second War Of Keppel
Sudanese Civil War I & II
German Peasants’ War
The Biafran Wars
Buddhist Uprising - Vietnam
The Dungan Revolt
Croatian and Bosnian Wars
+ hundreds more
What religion?
All of them.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith 
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Message 1767 of 3207 (859874)
08-04-2019 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1766 by AZPaul3
08-04-2019 12:08 AM


Re: chances
You said you'd "seen butchery of the human body and spirit" by religion. You were not talking about wars. And unless you identify the wars, who fought them and why, although I have opinions about some of them, I have no idea what point you are trying to make, But my question was about what you claim to have "seen" of "butchery" of the human body and spirit.
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AZPaul3
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Message 1768 of 3207 (859877)
08-04-2019 2:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1767 by Faith
08-04-2019 1:53 AM


Re: chances
You said you'd "seen butchery of the human body and spirit" by religion. You were not talking about wars.
Who are you to tell me what I was or was not talking about?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith 
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Message 1769 of 3207 (859879)
08-04-2019 2:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1768 by AZPaul3
08-04-2019 2:12 AM


Re: chances
I see. So much for communication.
However, if you ever come to your senses, or sober up, or whatever the problem is, I'd still like to know what "butchery of the human body and spirit" you were talking about.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1770 of 3207 (859881)
08-04-2019 3:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1769 by Faith
08-04-2019 2:18 AM


Re: chances
The list is there. If that doesn’t define and provide enough butchery for you then so be it.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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